Frustration

[Essence]

Just remember the four words that make everything annoying endurable and everything beautiful a little sad.

"This too shall pass."


Then...keep grinding.

[Arondight]

Definitely words one can live by.

[kintar]

Cheers guys, hearing someone else saying they've been there actually makes it feel a little better.

This is the deck I'm using.

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vm 52n 52r 592 5f8 5oj 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5up 61t 61t 621 621 621 74b 74b 7am 7am 7q5I'm not sure what do upgrade next though, Fallen Druid probably...

Ah, there's your problem. SG's deck doesn't work so well anymore, especially with so few upgrades. You're using only 1 hourglass. 40-card decks need 3-4. Also, your mark should be time, not life.

[Zubon]

Over three of my last four games, I drew a total of four towers/pillars and no novas.  I'm feeling the frustration with you. 

[Sigilstun]

I have to agree with the OP. (Yes I know it's an older post, but that doesn't mean it's not correct.)

The thing about this game, is that everything rewards you properly as far as strategy goes during the match. Playing your cards right, countering at the right times, making the right moves at the right time to win a strategic match, and you're rewarded with....maybe 15 electrum and a RANDOM SLOT MACHINE SPIN?

It's just pathetic really. I'm really close to just not playing anymore because of how unrewarding the results of a win in this game is. You don't get rewarded properly for your efforts, as far as I'm concerned. I've actually been spinning my tires all day today, using a rol/hope deck. I win most of the matches that I can actually have a chance at, but since I have to skip so many impossible to win matches, the amount of elec I win in the matches I do win doesn't cover it, and then the random casino pathetic-idea-whoever-came-up-with-it spin thing decides to not give me a card. I've won maybe 30 or so games against false gods today and gotten exactly 2 cards. I've lost piles of electrum. This is not challenging or fun. It makes me hate playing. I sit there clicking away with a grimace on my face because I know that even if I play a good match, FATE decides if I deserve a reward or not.

Does that not seem wrong to anyone else? I mean, the game is fun and all, but I don't think I will dedicate my next 4-5 months on it to be able to see what it's like to actually build my own decks because I have the electrum to do it.

Want a paypal donation? I know. How about you spin a random RNG wheel somewhere and if it says to donate, then you get to spin again and see if it's 25 cents or 1 dollar? Not very rewarding either way, is it?

[Kuross]

I have to agree with the OP. (Yes I know it's an older post, but that doesn't mean it's not correct.)

The thing about this game, is that everything rewards you properly as far as strategy goes during the match. Playing your cards right, countering at the right times, making the right moves at the right time to win a strategic match, and you're rewarded with....maybe 15 electrum and a RANDOM SLOT MACHINE SPIN?

It's just pathetic really. I'm really close to just not playing anymore because of how unrewarding the results of a win in this game is. You don't get rewarded properly for your efforts, as far as I'm concerned. I've actually been spinning my tires all day today, using a rol/hope deck. I win most of the matches that I can actually have a chance at, but since I have to skip so many impossible to win matches, the amount of elec I win in the matches I do win doesn't cover it, and then the random casino pathetic-idea-whoever-came-up-with-it spin thing decides to not give me a card. I've won 30 games against false gods today and gotten exactly 2 cards. I've lost piles of electrum. This is not challenging or fun. It makes me hate playing. I sit there clicking away with a grimace on my face because I know that even if I play a good match, FATE decides if I deserve a reward or not.

Does that not seem wrong to anyone else? I mean, the game is fun and all, but I don't think I will dedicate my next 4-5 months on it to be able to see what it's like to actually build my own decks because I have the electrum to do it.

Want a paypal donation? I know. How about you spin a random RNG wheel somewhere and if it says to donate, then you get to spin again and see if it's 25 cents or 1 dollar? Not very rewarding either way, is it?

This game is a lot like many others in that those that are persistant tend to reap the most.

I don't think anyone, after passing the first few quests and getting a first look at what upgrading costs are, says this game will be easy to win and build a lot of electrum/score/upp'ed cards. Point is, in order to make this game something worth coming back to one has to go through all the mucky, bloody, tear-filled ruts to get to a spot they can safely say, "phew."

Having spent a few months playing this game and grinding, grinding, grinding *mutters* I can say it is rewarding and worth it. But what makes it really fun for me to pass the grinding time is to chat with peeps suffering with the same issues. Makes it more interesting for me and prompts me to want to log in more, not only to get the better cards, but to hang out with the community. Granted, I am somewhat a new face on the forums and in the chats here, but I got to make a lot of fun online friends and that makes the grinds and pains of going up the food chain that much more fun.

I guess ultimately it's all in how you make the game out to be. If you treat it as nothing more than a miserable way to slosh through the time, I can almost guarentee you'll burn out fast. But if you explore the community, rant with others in chat about how good/bad everything is going, I'll bet there'll be peeps who will give ya a shoulder to work with. So far, peeps here are pretty good about that kind of thing

[Sigilstun]

I have to agree with the OP. (Yes I know it's an older post, but that doesn't mean it's not correct.)

The thing about this game, is that everything rewards you properly as far as strategy goes during the match. Playing your cards right, countering at the right times, making the right moves at the right time to win a strategic match, and you're rewarded with....maybe 15 electrum and a RANDOM SLOT MACHINE SPIN?

It's just pathetic really. I'm really close to just not playing anymore because of how unrewarding the results of a win in this game is. You don't get rewarded properly for your efforts, as far as I'm concerned. I've actually been spinning my tires all day today, using a rol/hope deck. I win most of the matches that I can actually have a chance at, but since I have to skip so many impossible to win matches, the amount of elec I win in the matches I do win doesn't cover it, and then the random casino pathetic-idea-whoever-came-up-with-it spin thing decides to not give me a card. I've won 30 games against false gods today and gotten exactly 2 cards. I've lost piles of electrum. This is not challenging or fun. It makes me hate playing. I sit there clicking away with a grimace on my face because I know that even if I play a good match, FATE decides if I deserve a reward or not.

Does that not seem wrong to anyone else? I mean, the game is fun and all, but I don't think I will dedicate my next 4-5 months on it to be able to see what it's like to actually build my own decks because I have the electrum to do it.

Want a paypal donation? I know. How about you spin a random RNG wheel somewhere and if it says to donate, then you get to spin again and see if it's 25 cents or 1 dollar? Not very rewarding either way, is it?

This game is a lot like many others in that those that are persistant tend to reap the most.

I don't think anyone, after passing the first few quests and getting a first look at what upgrading costs are, says this game will be easy to win and build a lot of electrum/score/upp'ed cards. Point is, in order to make this game something worth coming back to one has to go through all the mucky, bloody, tear-filled ruts to get to a spot they can safely say, "phew."

Having spent a few months playing this game and grinding, grinding, grinding *mutters* I can say it is rewarding and worth it. But what makes it really fun for me to pass the grinding time is to chat with peeps suffering with the same issues. Makes it more interesting for me and prompts me to want to log in more, not only to get the better cards, but to hang out with the community. Granted, I am somewhat a new face on the forums and in the chats here, but I got to make a lot of fun online friends and that makes the grinds and pains of going up the food chain that much more fun.

I guess ultimately it's all in how you make the game out to be. If you treat it as nothing more than a miserable way to slosh through the time, I can almost guarentee you'll burn out fast. But if you explore the community, rant with others in chat about how good/bad everything is going, I'll bet there'll be peeps who will give ya a shoulder to work with. So far, peeps here are pretty good about that kind of thing

The problem I have with the game is there is no normal progression. You can either grind away forever on AI3 using a rush deck in mind numbing tedium, or you can spend the electrum (after the super unfun mind numbing tedium in AI3 to even MAKE the elec you need to make the deck) on a deck that can luck out on FG's and hope the stupid spinny thing decides to be nice. When I first started this, I was barely making enough elec to even challenge the FG's. I had to go back to the super unfun, unchallenging AI3's to get the elec to even try the FG's multiple times. There is NO SENSE OF PROGRESSION IN THIS GAME. It's basically, grind until you want to claw your eyes out, then grind a little more. When you're tired of grinding mindlessly, too bad, BUCKLE UP FUCKFACE, because you're going to grind a whole lot more before you have enough electrum to stand a chance of having any fun. This game wants you to suffer for months, a slave to an RNG before you can do anything useful. It doesn't even try to make it fun while you're doing it either.

[Ifailgood]

Cheers guys, hearing someone else saying they've been there actually makes it feel a little better.

This is the deck I'm using.

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vm 52n 52r 592 5f8 5oj 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5up 61t 61t 621 621 621 74b 74b 7am 7am 7q5I'm not sure what do upgrade next though, Fallen Druid probably...

That's the one I use, except I changed it quite a bit.

[Daytripper]

I don't think the highest level is best for grinding. You are lucky to win something unless you have a really good deck. Play what you can afford.

An unupped deck can beat the ai3 decks pretty well. Keep adding upgraded cards to that, and then slowly move on to the top 50 or the AI5. I have a basic deck, and I guess I could have just ''bought'' an anti god deck right away... But still, now I can win about 65-70% of the time, depending on luck. I win an upped card worth 1100 electrums 10% of the time. I doubt I will be able to do much better until I get a better deck. I don't fight the gods at all right now.

That's why it is called grinding... Hitting the low levels to save up upgrades. I have never seen anyone ''grind'' the end boss of a game, because it is effectively the end of the game. You grind ''for'' it, but you do not grind it.

 

[The Emperor]

I've been collecting some statistics about this.

Grinding AI3 gives me approx 1k + another 500 for selling non-rare cards over 50 games, that's 30 / game on average. Out of my last 100 games vs False gods I won 27 (10 with EM) and got 11 cards (worth 1200). That means an income of approx 17*50+10*120+11*1200-73*30 = 13060, that's 130 / game on average.


I think that's quite comparable.

[Shiymmas]

My favorite way to avoid frustration in this game is to go wail on AI5 for a while after unlucky FG streaks.  That, or head to the trainer and see what fun decks folks have come up with.

One of my favorites lately, after tweaks, is Mindgate (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11431.0.html) which utterly sucks at FG's, but is fun (albeit slow) against AI5.  Nothing like fighting one of the earth-based randoms, and ending the match with 1000+ HP after cloning his Stoneskin nearly 20x while rewinding one of his fielded creatures (and making several hundred electrum for that huge HP ending with EM), or doing the same with a tower draw and essentially having infinite quantum to play/do whatever you want, while you sit behind phase shields.

Bottom line is; if you're not having fun, then stop what you're doing.  It's a game, so keep it that way. 

[johannhowitzer]

I couldn't agree more.  I'm a WoW player, and currently have several characters at maximum level climbing the gear progression and running the high-end raids, but this week I've been hunting down an old-world item set on my mage - running weak dungeons solo hunting for a set of gear that's entirely cosmetic.  People have asked me why... I told them "because it's FUN."  Then they laughed!