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[furballdn]

In my opinion, all we've got to do is get a webcomic or youtube artist totally hooked on Elements and they'll do the rest.

references FTW

Let's play Elements the game! Today, we grind some more arena decks! Oh look! Another ghostmare!

[regen2k9]

We have ads on the forums.  Therefore, we get revenue from those ads.  Couldn't we use that revenue for not only website hosting but advertising on other webpages?  The first type of ad that comes to mind is facebook ads.  We've used them with much success at the company for which I work.  You only pay for the ads when people click on them, AND they target people with interests similar to the product you're marketing (for instance, we could target Magic: the Gathering players, fantasy game enthusiasts, etc.).

[ElementalDearWatson]

We have ads on the forums.  Therefore, we get revenue from those ads.  Couldn't we use that revenue for not only website hosting but advertising on other webpages?  The first type of ad that comes to mind is facebook ads.  We've used them with much success at the company for which I work.  You only pay for the ads when people click on them, AND they target people with interests similar to the product you're marketing (for instance, we could target Magic: the Gathering players, fantasy game enthusiasts, etc.).

This, in a nutshell, is why Facebook is evil.  [/short, irrelevant rant]

[juan_de_diablo]

Just sad when someone blatantly calls you an idiot for praising a non dim shield mono aether deck...

I grabbed this halfway through the conversation... This might be an example of why the community is declining:

Pineapple: ‹@ddevans96› the reason for our decline is that i've been cloning myself
[03:50:18] Pineapple: they want bread? let them eat pineapple!
[03:50:40] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› well, I'd expect some other members to step up like adults and call him on telling people theyre idiots for offering their open opinions
[03:50:53] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› but maybe that's just me
[03:51:21] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› we're not ganging up on you, we just happen to agree that your opinions are not founded on proper facts. and i'm flaming you.
[03:51:40] YawnChainHow: ‹@juan_de_diablo› calling people idiots for offering the opinion (that dimshield is ok) is almost precisely what you have been doing
[03:51:48] juan_de_diablo: ‹@Pineapple› I nvr attacked, or degraded, anyone for using dim shield, I simply praised someone for not doing so and got called an idiot for my opinion>
[03:52:11] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› no, i called you an idiot for what you said after that
[03:53:09] Xenocidius: Play with fire and you'll get burned. Tread carefully, my dears.
[03:53:24] Pineapple: ‹@Xenocidius› like...mod burned?
[03:57:16] juan_de_diablo: Well, frankly, I suppose I would just expect more out of members who have been here longer. You've seen my recent activity. In no way have I ever tried to stir trouble...
[03:57:19] Joostdegrote: Better then regular pillars?
[03:57:21] wasilias: ‹@Joostdegrote› it is your pet for today. after using oracle u have 1 pet for 2 games or 3
[03:57:40] Pineapple: ‹@Joostdegrote› same as regular pillars
[03:58:02] Joostdegrote: But more costly regardless? =P
[03:58:11] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› Yeah, I just vehemently disagree with you. And we're in chat. c:
[03:58:14] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› But you can defend his blatant rudeness. shows me that I have probably wasted time in trying to become a part of this community
[03:58:48] xasor: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the scary milk man stole my chicken
[03:58:54] ddevans96: I wouldn't defend it, but you also said something you really should not have. in fact, there's times of the day where you'd be outright banned for it
[03:59:19] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› If I have in any way hurt you for hating on dimshields, then I am sorry.
[03:59:21] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› what did I say that was banable?
[03:59:31] Pineapple: He's right, the trick is in knowing those times c:
[03:59:35] ddevans96: the sexist comment. you know which one
[04:00:01] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› remind me
[04:00:11] Pineapple: Objectification is beautiful.
[04:00:13] wasilias: ‹@Joostdegrote› pendulums dont work like regular pillars, 1 turn u get the same quanta as the pillar and next turn u get the same quanta as your mark
[04:00:17] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› boning
[04:00:47] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› If you were a guest and Higs were online you'd get a polite 24hour ban
[04:00:59] juan_de_diablo: ‹@Pineapple› lol, I was pointing out how his context of objectification didn't make sense to me
[04:01:34] juan_de_diablo: and i will apologize now like an adult if I offended anyone with that
[04:02:00] xasor: je suis un herbivore mal
[04:02:07] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› I'm sure that you wouldn't try to use that analogy in, say, the court of law ^^;
[04:02:40] Pineapple: ‹@xasor› en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men ?
[04:02:46] wasilias: ‹@xasor› γιατι μιλας γαλλικα
[04:03:11] Pineapple: Yo, guys, this is an English chat.
[04:03:17] Xenocidius: English only, plx. kthx
[04:03:32] xasor: ‹@Pineapple› no it means i am an evil herbivore
[04:03:33] Pineapple: (Personal messages are international waters, though.)
[04:03:46] Pineapple: ‹@xasor› An evil herbivore man?
[04:03:51] xasor: screw that i will speak any language i choose
[04:03:54] juan_de_diablo: I am going to bow out of this graciously. This is a nvr ending cycle. I've been on the internet before. Just disappointing to feel so alienated by prominent members of the community. I apologize for any offensive thing I may have said

Maybe this a prime example as to why forum newbies, like myself, are in decline. Frankly, I've enjoyed myself discussing ideas and jokes, but, seeing how prominent members behave in chat leaves me wondering if this is after all a waste of time. And I may have used "objectification" in an insensitive context in order to highlight the improper use of the word by a member prior. Regardless, I apologized then, and I'll go as far as to apologize now to anyone I might have offended. I won't, however, sit back and let this go unnoticed while a discussion about WHY this community is declining is active. Is it the lack of updates not pleasing everyone, or is it rampant flaming seen both in the forum and the chat? Is the community elitist? I'm new here, and my opinion is that: my opinion. All I can offer is my limited experience, and those experiences have left me wondering if this community is worth devoting any time towards.... and all I did was praise a person's non dim shield, aether deck. As a rusher, I haaaate dim shields. This is my opinion. I certainly have not, and won't ever, devote any amount of serious forum time complaining or whining about dim shield. I may make funny posts about my frustration in the humor section, but this is light hearted. I guess, what I hope, is that this sheds some light on some possible reasons as to the decline. At this point, I'm not convinced this will be taken seriously by any members since I'm not tenured. Also, I feel this post will likely make me some enemies in the community, which is also something I do not want to do. But, I'm posting this anyways. Read it, or don't. Comment on it, or don't. It's just one new member's recent experience, for what it's worth.

[Annele]

I grabbed this halfway through the conversation... This might be an example of why the community is declining:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Pineapple: ‹@ddevans96› the reason for our decline is that i've been cloning myself
[03:50:18] Pineapple: they want bread? let them eat pineapple!
[03:50:40] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› well, I'd expect some other members to step up like adults and call him on telling people theyre idiots for offering their open opinions
[03:50:53] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› but maybe that's just me
[03:51:21] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› we're not ganging up on you, we just happen to agree that your opinions are not founded on proper facts. and i'm flaming you.
[03:51:40] YawnChainHow: ‹@juan_de_diablo› calling people idiots for offering the opinion (that dimshield is ok) is almost precisely what you have been doing
[03:51:48] juan_de_diablo: ‹@Pineapple› I nvr attacked, or degraded, anyone for using dim shield, I simply praised someone for not doing so and got called an idiot for my opinion>
[03:52:11] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› no, i called you an idiot for what you said after that
[03:53:09] Xenocidius: Play with fire and you'll get burned. Tread carefully, my dears.
[03:53:24] Pineapple: ‹@Xenocidius› like...mod burned?
[03:57:16] juan_de_diablo: Well, frankly, I suppose I would just expect more out of members who have been here longer. You've seen my recent activity. In no way have I ever tried to stir trouble...
[03:57:19] Joostdegrote: Better then regular pillars?
[03:57:21] wasilias: ‹@Joostdegrote› it is your pet for today. after using oracle u have 1 pet for 2 games or 3
[03:57:40] Pineapple: ‹@Joostdegrote› same as regular pillars
[03:58:02] Joostdegrote: But more costly regardless? =P
[03:58:11] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› Yeah, I just vehemently disagree with you. And we're in chat. c:
[03:58:14] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› But you can defend his blatant rudeness. shows me that I have probably wasted time in trying to become a part of this community
[03:58:48] xasor: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the scary milk man stole my chicken
[03:58:54] ddevans96: I wouldn't defend it, but you also said something you really should not have. in fact, there's times of the day where you'd be outright banned for it
[03:59:19] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› If I have in any way hurt you for hating on dimshields, then I am sorry.
[03:59:21] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› what did I say that was banable?
[03:59:31] Pineapple: He's right, the trick is in knowing those times c:
[03:59:35] ddevans96: the sexist comment. you know which one
[04:00:01] juan_de_diablo: ‹@ddevans96› remind me
[04:00:11] Pineapple: Objectification is beautiful.
[04:00:13] wasilias: ‹@Joostdegrote› pendulums dont work like regular pillars, 1 turn u get the same quanta as the pillar and next turn u get the same quanta as your mark
[04:00:17] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› boning
[04:00:47] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› If you were a guest and Higs were online you'd get a polite 24hour ban
[04:00:59] juan_de_diablo: ‹@Pineapple› lol, I was pointing out how his context of objectification didn't make sense to me
[04:01:34] juan_de_diablo: and i will apologize now like an adult if I offended anyone with that
[04:02:00] xasor: je suis un herbivore mal
[04:02:07] Pineapple: ‹@juan_de_diablo› I'm sure that you wouldn't try to use that analogy in, say, the court of law ^^;
[04:02:40] Pineapple: ‹@xasor› en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men ?
[04:02:46] wasilias: ‹@xasor› γιατι μιλας γαλλικα
[04:03:11] Pineapple: Yo, guys, this is an English chat.
[04:03:17] Xenocidius: English only, plx. kthx
[04:03:32] xasor: ‹@Pineapple› no it means i am an evil herbivore
[04:03:33] Pineapple: (Personal messages are international waters, though.)
[04:03:46] Pineapple: ‹@xasor› An evil herbivore man?
[04:03:51] xasor: screw that i will speak any language i choose
[04:03:54] juan_de_diablo: I am going to bow out of this graciously. This is a nvr ending cycle. I've been on the internet before. Just disappointing to feel so alienated by prominent members of the community. I apologize for any offensive thing I may have said

Maybe this a prime example as to why forum newbies, like myself, are in decline. Frankly, I've enjoyed myself discussing ideas and jokes, but, seeing how prominent members behave in chat leaves me wondering if this is after all a waste of time. And I may have used "objectification" in an insensitive context in order to highlight the improper use of the word by a member prior. Regardless, I apologized then, and I'll go as far as to apologize now to anyone I might have offended. I won't, however, sit back and let this go unnoticed while a discussion about WHY this community is declining is active. Is it the lack of updates not pleasing everyone, or is it rampant flaming seen both in the forum and the chat? Is the community elitist? I'm new here, and my opinion is that: my opinion. All I can offer is my limited experience, and those experiences have left me wondering if this community is worth devoting any time towards.... and all I did was praise a person's non dim shield, aether deck. As a rusher, I haaaate dim shields. This is my opinion. I certainly have not, and won't ever, devote any amount of serious forum time complaining or whining about dim shield. I may make funny posts about my frustration in the humor section, but this is light hearted. I guess, what I hope, is that this sheds some light on some possible reasons as to the decline. At this point, I'm not convinced this will be taken seriously by any members since I'm not tenured. Also, I feel this post will likely make me some enemies in the community, which is also something I do not want to do. But, I'm posting this anyways. Read it, or don't. Comment on it, or don't. It's just one new member's recent experience, for what it's worth.

This happened to me too, I was sort of flamed in chat while I was less known. I just gave up on chat, and tried harder in the forums, where flaming is less tolerated by all members. (And then my parents found out what some people talk about on chat and banned me from it. Nice.)
However, I believe they were just joking, and I know that if you stick at it, you can get somewhere in it. ( <---- look at shiny badge).
Says this a thirteen year old girl who joined this April.


Anyways I agree that this might be the reason the community is declining, newbies are judged, and first impressions stick.

[vrt]

I think one of the reasons the forums are declining is because some of our newer members believe newbies should be cut all sorts of slack. If you've found the link to chat and the link to the Wiki, there's really no excuse for stupidity.

And no, just because you're new doesn't mean you can do whatever you want under the excuse of being new. It means you have more to prove and a first impression to make, it is completely up to yourself to make that a good one. Depending on the leniency of the community is a very, very slippery slope.

[ARTHANASIOS]

 For me, Zanz has first of all to fix the link of Elements Wiki. If you press the "Elements Wiki" link right under the game window, you're directed at the old version of wiki, not the new one. We also have to add more articles about the cards in the new Elements Wiki (if there is a way I can help in Wiki, please tell me).
 As for new players, we must consider the fact not every new player plays this game like a maniac, so not everyone is interested in the forums or the chat. About the greater usage of upped cards, this is also normal since the most fanatical players play a lot and upgrade their cards a lot. With the existence of almost unupped & almost rareless FG farmers, we should expect nothing less than having greater usage in the upped cards rather than the unupped IMO.
 Elements is no way a dead game. I have never trouble finding an opponent in PvP1 and that says a lot about the game's activity. 

[Jenkar]

I think one of the reasons the forums are declining is because some of our newer members believe newbies should be cut all sorts of slack. If you've found the link to chat and the link to the Wiki, there's really no excuse for stupidity.

And no, just because you're new doesn't mean you can do whatever you want under the excuse of being new. It means you have more to prove and a first impression to make, it is completely up to yourself to make that a good one. Depending on the leniency of the community is a very, very slippery slope.

I believe it's more an attitude problem than a capacity to read problem. Personally, i have no problem with newbies asking questions about the game itself in a normal/polite manner. Bad grammar can be a problem, but new chatters often fix that when you ask them to. My only problem with new chatters is trolling/flaming/disrespect.

[vrt]

I believe it's more an attitude problem than a capacity to read problem.

Eh, let's call it an attitude of not wanting to read. But when 2 minutes on the wiki answers your question, and yet you spam it in chat.. Guh. That's just asking for it.


There also seems to have been quite an incline in the amount of know-it-all newbies with rather aggressive attitudes. This doesn't help the community much, either.

[Jenkar]

I believe it's more an attitude problem than a capacity to read problem.

Eh, let's call it an attitude of not wanting to read. But when 2 minutes on the wiki answers your question, and yet you spam it in chat.. Guh. That's just asking for it.

When it's spam, it's bad. However, I don't see how it's bad that someone wants to learn from chat rather than from wiki, as long as they do it with decent manners.

[Absol]

I have no problem with people asking things. I do, however, have a problem with "i'm new here so it's okay" excuse. (mainly because i've searched for things here before asking)
"I'm new here and is still learning" is okay, though.

[Mathematistic]

  Elements is no way a dead game. I have never trouble finding an opponent in PvP1 and that says a lot about the game's activity. 

Elements is not dead yet but dying. IMO elements will eventually vanish if there is not a major change in gameplay.
The game becomes too boring for end-game grinders as little or no satisfaction can be derived. While there is still a lot for the newbies to play around with, veterans are usually bored with the grinding. Newbies are the blood of the game. But, eventually, the quit rate of the veterans will be higher than the play rate of the newbies. Solely relying on dragging players in with well-thought gameplay is not a healthy sustaining strategy. What elements need is something that keeps semi-veterans and veterans entertained while being something to aspire for for newbies.

I have heard from a dedicated grinder from kong chat that he enjoys AI4 matches because their decks are random and fun. Why not have something that requires players to mash random cards together to fight random opponents?

And, regarding the chat problem, sometimes it is just too uneasy for newbies, and even non-chat-regulars (who may be veterans in the game) to join. I'm referring to the main chat here, the small-circle community may make outsiders feel alienated even if it is not intended. Maybe we can have some chat-tenders to chat-tend the place to make it happier and livelier? The question of the newbies can be answered as well, without disrupting other discussions as we have a person for that.

I have no problem with people asking things. I do, however, have a problem with "i'm new here so it's okay" excuse. (mainly because i've searched for things here before asking)
"I'm new here and is still learning" is okay, though.

Yep.