FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths

[twixy10]

ps.: It's quite funny that both kirchj and I posted at the same time Looks like 153 games are required in order to fight each false god 3 times.

Mine were probably gonna take a lot more than that, but I still needed 6 more (0 played against Morte at that point) so I loaded it into the trainer and finished up.  I needed a change of deck and was glad to be done for the time being

That corrupts the stats, I think? Because the AI in the trainer is dumber than the normal AI.

[kirchj33]

ps.: It's quite funny that both kirchj and I posted at the same time Looks like 153 games are required in order to fight each false god 3 times.

Mine were probably gonna take a lot more than that, but I still needed 6 more (0 played against Morte at that point) so I loaded it into the trainer and finished up.  I needed a change of deck and was glad to be done for the time being

That corrupts the stats, I think? Because the AI in the trainer is dumber than the normal AI.

Gotcha, I can easily delete those last 6 games.  I will modify my post when I have finished the normalized wins "naturally" then.

[twixy10]

ps.: It's quite funny that both kirchj and I posted at the same time Looks like 153 games are required in order to fight each false god 3 times.

Mine were probably gonna take a lot more than that, but I still needed 6 more (0 played against Morte at that point) so I loaded it into the trainer and finished up.  I needed a change of deck and was glad to be done for the time being

That corrupts the stats, I think? Because the AI in the trainer is dumber than the normal AI.

Gotcha, I can easily delete those last 6 games.  I will modify my post when I have finished the normalized wins "naturally" then.

yeah that's right ^^. (but remember which time you have to subtract )

[Jangoo]

yeah that's right ^^. (but remember which time you have to subtract )

Here's guessing it will just be the ones last entered ... if you remember the god and game,
remembering time and electrum shouldn't be the issue. 

(Unless of course you enter times wildly in the middle of the chain without using the
utmost practical F2-key ...)

[zse]

I don't have MS-Excel now, but I've started to collect data for Voodoo Panic (modded) by linkfung modded by bucky1andonly/zse. My contribution was only changing 1 card, so I personally feel that I haven't done enough for being mentioned as one of the modders of that deck modification.

Voodoo Panic (modded)
100 games:
48 wins, 49 losses, 3 skips (Decay is totally impossible), 4 EMs
€ won (no EM) 2089
Time (win, h) 03:06:40
Time (loss, h) 02:36:27
Time (skip, h) 00:01:09
24 cards won

win rate 48/100 = 48%
normalized win rate  = 52,9% (against 27 FGs: 0 games against Graviton & Seism +7 FGs with 1-2 games)
€ earned total 28828

Average turn to win: 10,5
Average turn to lose: 8,8
Average time on games won: 233
Average time on games lost: 204 (non-skipped)
Average time on games skipped: 23 (slow laptop)

[Genuinous]

I don't have MS-Excel now, but I've started to collect data for Voodoo Panic (modded) by linkfung modded by bucky1andonly/zse. My contribution was only changing 1 card, so I personally feel that I haven't done enough for being mentioned as one of the modders of that deck modification.

FG	w/l	time	turns	cards won
hermes	win	219	13	1	forgot to write (I had 2 life at the end)
paradox	win	232	11	1	63
chaos lord	lost	159	8	-	-
neptune	win	223	10	0	55
jezebel	win	228	11	1	57
ferox	win	196	8	2	130 (em)

If you collect all the details and them post it someone can do an excel for you. But that'd be insanely tedious...

[kirchj33]

I don't have MS-Excel now, but I've started to collect data for Voodoo Panic (modded) by linkfung modded by bucky1andonly/zse. My contribution was only changing 1 card, so I personally feel that I haven't done enough for being mentioned as one of the modders of that deck modification.

FG	w/l	time	turns	cards won
hermes	win	219	13	1	forgot to write (I had 2 life at the end)
paradox	win	232	11	1	63
chaos lord	lost	159	8	-	-
neptune	win	223	10	0	55
jezebel	win	228	11	1	57
ferox	win	196	8	2	130 (em)

-Seeing as the voodoo panic he posted was only 4 cards different than the original, I have no problem crediting the both of you with modding it.

-I don't think this data will be usable without the STATMASTA for the purposes of this study.  Please speak with Jangoo if you are unable to access excel.  I believe he may be in the middle of making an open office or google docs version available as well.

[Jangoo]

Yes indeed ... not very far from release I think. 

Zse, if you want to start collecting data right away, the best way would be to just open the Excel-file in openoffice
and begin with the the data-input as it is intended ...
Most of your stats won't be displayed (properly) but the formatting of the input data is already correct.
When the proper openoffice-version is out, all you have to do is copy-paste the columns over to the actual
document and all will be fine.

Only drawback: The warning-columns won't work, so you would have to pay a lot of attention not to forget
about any electrum- or time-values.

 

[YoungSot]

I'm waiting for the Open Office version too. Glad to hear it's close to making an appearance!

[zse]

Yes indeed ... not very far from release I think. 

Zse, if you want to start collecting data right away, the best way would be to just open the Excel-file in openoffice
and begin with the the data-input as it is intended ...
Most of your stats won't be displayed (properly) but the formatting of the input data is already correct.
When the proper openoffice-version is out, all you have to do is copy-paste the columns over to the actual
document and all will be fine.

Only drawback: The warning-columns won't work, so you would have to pay a lot of attention not to forget
about any electrum- or time-values.

OK, I'll do that.

... Voodoo Panic (modded) by linkfung modded by bucky1andonly/zse. My contribution was only changing 1 card, so I personally feel that I haven't done enough for being mentioned as one of the modders of that deck modification.

-Seeing as the voodoo panic he posted was only 4 cards different than the original, I have no problem crediting the both of you with modding it.

Actually bucky1andonly made 8 card changes:
-5 un-upped Sundial
-1 Arsenic
-1 Gravity Force
-1 Aether Tower

+6 upped Sundial
+1 Supernova
+1 Hourglass

Usually using un-upped or upped version of a card has only small difference, but Sundials work very differently in mulligan, and that was the main reason why the original used the un-upped versions. At least that's how I understand the whole situation.

[kirchj33]

Actually bucky1andonly made 8 card changes:
-5 un-upped Sundial
-1 Arsenic
-1 Gravity Force
-1 Aether Tower

+6 upped Sundial
+1 Supernova
+1 Hourglass

Usually using un-upped or upped version of a card has only small difference, but Sundials work very differently in mulligan, and that was the main reason why the original used the un-upped versions. At least that's how I understand the whole situation.

Yes, I viewed the unupped vs. upped sundials as the same thing.  Especially since he had posted unupped aether towers as well.  I realize the Sundial mulligan is long gone, but it is largely a remake of an existing deck.  I was warned when creating the study by senior members to be careful whom is given credit for these decks for a historical sense, and this would certainly be an instance of such a case.

Again, I reiterate the fact that much leg work was done before posting this and decks were not chosen haphazardly.  This discussion is also not in line with the goal of the study and contrary to its spirit.  I welcome any deck specific discussion at this point via pm with Jangoo and I. In the future, we will open it up to variants.  We are still about 1000 tested games per deck away from this goal though.

[Jangoo]

I'm waiting for the Open Office version too. Glad to hear it's close to making an appearance!

*Cough* ... crap, got myself into something didn't I?
Well, I totally failed at converting the Macros to openoffice so I am currently dependent on
the grace of various people in OO-forums. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be all that easy:
Every single suggestion they make yields a small collection of unexpected problems.
OO seems to be very picky about its Macros and each mistake means sledgehammering the crashed
program with the task-manager.    Nevertheless, I sense a viable solution is close.

If it doesn't seem like this will work out very soon, I will just give you guys a stripped version
we can work with I guess.

Usually using un-upped or upped version of a card has only small difference, but Sundials work very differently in mulligan, and that was the main reason why the original used the un-upped versions. At least that's how I understand the whole situation.

I think:
The original Voodoo-Panic had to use unupped sundials because it was the only way
to pay for them quanta-wise: Upped sundials used to cost 2 to draw, meaning
a whole SN was needed to effectively use a single upped sundial.
Mulligan or not, that rendered upped sundials useless for the deck.

Eversince the re-buff of the upped sundial, they are a viable card for voodoo-panic,
even more so than the unupped sundial ... of course, none of that info is anywhere
near the thread in question.
I am guessing the deck-code for the latest version just appeared in a dream. 


All that aside, I agree with kirch that we should probably discuss all that somewhere
else and focus on the study here. In all honesty, the style this community gives credit
for "achievements" such as decks is doubtful in many ways ... but this style surely
wasn't born in this thread.