FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths

[kirchj33]

I don't think you could be more wrong, in that case. Adding SoG's changes it a LOT more than removing one Fractal. Main reason for this being that with 3 Electrocutors and only 8 quanta sources, it's slowed down significantly in the early game by SoG's.

Oh Higs... tact never was your strong suite.  We can easily add a variant after collecting preliminary data on the two decks.  We can take data on Perpetual Light and compared it to a 2 dragon version.

[Higurashi]

I'm afraid you know nothing of that, as it's not a question of aptitude: it's a question of application. Tact is to be applied in the right situations (i.e. kissing arse in the business world). Here, it has no room since there's no reason for you to be offended.

If you just made random changes, that would've had to be brought to light. If you meant to just change certain parts in order to test how 6 Fractals work, that's a different reason than stated and changes the general method for modifying decks that are up for testing.

[1world24]

Wondering if I may help with the testing?

[Jangoo]

The Rol/Hope version currently being tested has been a standard-edit of the deck eversince,
at least for people who knew how to make the deck perform best when it was en vogue 
There is no "random" change or whatever and the recent FGei-result doesn't exactly say that it sucks so ...

Also:

Variants should be discussed within each individual deck post itself and this is not the venue for any disagreement of variants used.

Lol

200 games, soon will be 300.

Figured I'd post it, since I finally got a game against Neptune (exactly 200

[...]

Current spreadsheet: http://www.mediafire.com/?si1p4xpe5545nt8

Good work Onizuka.

But please don't post the xls.file when you are not done with the set yet ... When I go over
the posts later it'll be confusing to figure out which one is the final one, a new set, invalid for
whatever reason ... and so on and so on. In fact, can you edit away that link and repost it when you
hit those 300?

[Higurashi]

I sincerely doubt it. I've never seen anyone play Turbo with 6 Fractals since people realised they could mod in SoG's. Since kirch said he wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible, I have to point out adding SoG's changes it much more than anything else. Hence random.

[kirchj33]

I did my best to post popular decks in forms that were accepted as optimal as determined through my own experiences and from speaking with other veteran players.  If I am off by a card or two in the whole thing, people who did not organize the study themselves or speak up earlier will have to live with it.  There will be a phase (hopefully soon), after we've gathered enough data on the initial decks, for testing variants.

Even in reference to Turbo, it would be hard to argue that a deck without SoG's is going to outperform one with a couple of utility SoG's.  I assumed that was common sense, hence the change there.  Also, switching to a pend/pillar split was assumed common sense.

The 5 vs. 6 fractal debate is not a hard and fast one, and I prefer to let the numbers decide in the long run.  Sure, for things like fractix 4 or 5 is optimal, where filling the field is your ultimate goal, but for RoL/Hope's which need to fight CC and fuel their hope asap, 6 is in the picture.  I will let the numbers tell the interesting story.

In fact, can you edit away that link and repost it when you
hit those 300?

I think Oni was joking about the 300 part.... at least I hope for his sake he hits Neptune sooner than that.  Unless.... he just loves RoL/Hope THAT much.  The preliminary numbers certainly would support his love of the deck if he just feels like doing 300 for the money.

[twixy10]

I think Oni was joking about the 300 part.... at least I hope for his sake he hits Neptune sooner than that.  Unless.... he just loves RoL/Hope THAT much.  The preliminary numbers certainly would support his love of the deck if he just feels like doing 300 for the money.

I don't think he is joking about the 300 part XD. After 199 games (because he hit neptune the 200e game) he encounters neptune once, it is quite possible that he has to play around 100 games for 2 encounters with Neptune

[kirchj33]

Wondering if I may help with the testing?

Send an application in following the guidlines in the OP and you will be considered.  Simple as that!

[Onizuka]

300 games, here ya go!

deck	Turbo Speed False God Farming
players	Onizuka

version	1.27		win-rate	46%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	45.61%
games	300		Score/h	517
win-loss-(EM)	138-162-(37)		Score/h (n)	500
time (h:m:s)	14:49:17		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	4093
min/game	02:58		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3992

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
-174    447    97    284    1700    1658    974    972    -231    -401    1234    85    -559    -240       -812    473    59    1082    739    -906    717    141    -1354    1473    975    53    429    99    1220	2019    4023    3735    2578    8634    8951    5599    5552    1454    174    6575    2615    139    1660       1017    4373    1656    5410    4428    -906    4223    3794    -1354    7288    4936    1531    4831    2878    7667	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	2    11    4    4    12     7    8    10    2    1    6    3    1    2    1    4    2    9    8        2    2        8    6    2    6    3    12	9     12     8     8               4     3     8     11     1     8     13     8     8     6     6     2     4     6     1     4     4     1         6     8     7     6		1                  3      4      1      3      2                  2      1                        1      1      5      2            1                  5      2      1                  2

   
      
300 spreadsheet: http://www.mediafire.com/?og0id68gduky5zm

[Jangoo]

So much for joking about   

But 4000 FGei! Damn!
I was expecting the deck to run in 3000 AT MOST and now this.

Thanks for editing out those preliminary files Onizuka ...
Here I was already searching for that first post of yours and wondering which
other deck it was you had tested. Turns out it was Rol/Hope at 100 games lol.

[Higurashi]

Incredible. Even with specific AI updates to combat RoL/Hope, it's still undisputed after such a long time. Just baffling.

[Onizuka]

Initial 100 data, go!

deck	Perpetual Light
players	Onizuka

version	1.27		win-rate	47%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	n.a.
games	100		Score/h	538
win-loss-(EM)	47-53-(17)		Score/h (n)	n.a.
time (h:m:s)	05:21:29		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3932
min/game	03:13		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	n.a.

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      
I'll be updating this post when I get to 200 and 300.

200:

deck	Perpetual Light
players	Onizuka

version	1.27		win-rate	49.5%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	48.64%
games	200		Score/h	580
win-loss-(EM)	99-101-(40)		Score/h (n)	570
time (h:m:s)	11:13:17		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	4004
min/game	03:22		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3992

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      
I'm even getting it normalized at 200 now

300:

deck	Perpetual Light
players	Onizuka

version	1.27		win-rate	43.67%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	42.94%
games	300		Score/h	449
win-loss-(EM)	131-169-(49)		Score/h (n)	434
time (h:m:s)	16:35:55		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3505
min/game	03:19		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3452

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

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score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
468    238    570    119    1154    1158    342    568    -336    -804    1608    434    -534    483       -633    487    -219    1084    774    -175    -322    319    -998    965    1054    356    310    565    1049	4086    3594    4704    1707    6547    6271    3480    3614    607    -804    7289    2751    266    3959       -633    3980    387    5702    4213    1861    226    3565    -998    4946    5732    3350    3548    3970    6049	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	4    3    5    3    13     9    3    5    1        11    4    1    7        4    1    10    11    3    1    2        7    8    3    3    7    2	8     5     4     8     2      2     4     5     7     12         4     11     7     10     6     7     2     5     11     10     3     11     4     2     4     5     9     1		3                  2      2      3            3                  9      2            1            2            4      5                              6      2                  4      1

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It got murdered. Absolutely murdered.

Excel sheet: http://www.mediafire.com/?767j29putsc97lc