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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg106920#msg106920
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2010, 02:28:59 pm »
Ok, heres the thing. LOTS of people replied REASONABLE answers. Read theirs. I stated the obvious when Mogv OBVIOUSLY wasn't out to listen. He was out to.. Who really knows? Who really CARES? Its a game. Unless you create or manage the game, your not going to change it, unless lots agree. Zanz hasn't even READ this, most likely. He might when its 50 replies or so, or he feels like it. Until then, this is just a Troll Board.
I dont get this mass gangbang on OP because he dared to question something in the game.

You guys are acting like Fractal is something "meh" and "not that great", while Miracle is some miracle card. Its not, its vice versa. Saying that RoF, or even funnier - Thunderstorm destroys Fractal strategies is simply... funny. And its common knowledge?  ::)

To save me some typing - go into deck section and go check how many great and powerful decks revolve around Fractal. Then go see how many great and powerful decks revolve around Miracle.
"Mass Gangbang" "Dared to question" Look, We answered. If you don't want answers, don't ask question.
The rest I agree with. Sadly, thats not the question. He asked why it is a rare because it drains all  :light quanta. Meanwhile, Fractal does the same with  :aether quanta. THAT IS NOT why the Miracle is Rare. We all Explained, and he just refused to listen. Sorry, but thats what is known as a Repeating Radio Troll or Broken Radio, Troll. A One way conversation just to annoy people. Where does the name come from? Simple. Those old(/New) shows that if you ask a question, they just Re-State what they said, and move on with the SAME THING, not even bothering to Air you message, so Others can learn what you "Learned".

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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg106955#msg106955
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2010, 04:21:19 pm »
I dont get this mass gangbang on OP because he dared to question something in the game.

You guys are acting like Fractal is something "meh" and "not that great", while Miracle is some miracle card. Its not, its vice versa. Saying that RoF, or even funnier - Thunderstorm destroys Fractal strategies is simply... funny. And its common knowledge?  ::)

To save me some typing - go into deck section and go check how many great and powerful decks revolve around Fractal. Then go see how many great and powerful decks revolve around Miracle.
not wanting to be rude, but (to save me some typing) - go check how many people have miracle (rare). now go check how many people have fractal at their disposition. explained?

secondly, no deck would revolve around Miracle. miracle is healing. as long as I know, you have 0 chance of winning the game if you just heal and heal and blah. unless the other guy decks out. so wait, we do might have a miracle revolved deck that involves mass healing until the opponent decks out. (so much we have the miracle god, no?)

and  theunamed is right. the guy asked that since the downside of miracle is the same downside as the fractal card both of them should be rares.

Everyone here gave a correct answer to his questions - the effects the cards do, that are completely different. So if you DO read all the answers here, you will see that miracle IS better then fractal.

And how comes saying that RoF could own a fractal is funny? it's true. example : fractal a devourer until you fill the board. you didn't drain all his quantum though, and he has 7 fire quantum. he plays rain of fire. what happens next?

you fractal ray of lights. the opponent plays rain of fire. what happens next?

you fractal dragons. like, hard hitting dragons, like ruby dragons. your opponent plays rof. what happens next?

you fractal light dragon. you play them all. your opponent slowly, but does uses 4 rain of fire. what happens next?

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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107012#msg107012
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2010, 05:49:33 pm »
Can we get this thread locked? It started as a trap so a troll could feed, and now it's just become
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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107025#msg107025
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2010, 06:12:36 pm »
not wanting to be rude, but (to save me some typing) - go check how many people have miracle (rare). now go check how many people have fractal at their disposition. explained?
Power of card is determined by its rareness? I have a strange feeling more people own Miracle than Solar Shield.

secondly, no deck would revolve around Miracle. miracle is healing. as long as I know, you have 0 chance of winning the game if you just heal and heal and blah. unless the other guy decks out. so wait, we do might have a miracle revolved deck that involves mass healing until the opponent decks out. (so much we have the miracle god, no?)
Yes, you can win games by healing, if you survive till deckout. Beautiful way to counter deckout is fractal for example.

and  theunamed is right. the guy asked that since the downside of miracle is the same downside as the fractal card both of them should be rares.
Dude asked why is Miracle rare. Perfectly legit question imo. People responded because its powerful. And indeed, it is. But there are more powerful cards that are not rare. Fractal being one of them.

Everyone here gave a correct answer to his questions - the effects the cards do, that are completely different. So if you DO read all the answers here, you will see that miracle IS better then fractal.
Lets disagree here. It is pretty obvious to me that Miracle is not better than Fractal. If it is, you'd see many decks being built around it. Truth is, there are lots of ways to heal yourself, and you can live without Miracle even if you're going for deckout strat.

And how comes saying that RoF could own a fractal is funny? it's true. example : fractal a devourer until you fill the board. you didn't drain all his quantum though, and he has 7 fire quantum. he plays rain of fire. what happens next?

you fractal ray of lights. the opponent plays rain of fire. what happens next?

you fractal dragons. like, hard hitting dragons, like ruby dragons. your opponent plays rof. what happens next?

you fractal light dragon. you play them all. your opponent slowly, but does uses 4 rain of fire. what happens next?
You are either pretending to be dumb to make a point, or you never built a fractal deck. You dont pack one fractal, PESTS survive RoF, you dont fractal ruby dragons, you fractal minor pheonixes, 4 RoFs to kill 1 drop of light dragons is what you call a counter?

Let me just add that fractals are actually played with upped cards, and all game balancing should be done under assumption that all cards are available to a player.

As to last poster, I'm not saying Fractal is OP, I'm saying Fractal is POWERFUL. VERY POWERFUL. Happy?


Anyway, I dont care which cards are given rare status as long as I get to use them. :p
I just had to react to claims (from almost all people involved in the thread) that Miracle is oh so powerful, while Fractal is not. Well there, now you have a different input in this thread. Bai Bai.

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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107051#msg107051
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2010, 06:34:19 pm »
not wanting to be rude, but (to save me some typing) - go check how many people have miracle (rare). now go check how many people have fractal at their disposition. explained?
Power of card is determined by its rareness? I have a strange feeling more people own Miracle than Solar Shield.

secondly, no deck would revolve around Miracle. miracle is healing. as long as I know, you have 0 chance of winning the game if you just heal and heal and blah. unless the other guy decks out. so wait, we do might have a miracle revolved deck that involves mass healing until the opponent decks out. (so much we have the miracle god, no?)
Yes, you can win games by healing, if you survive till deckout. Beautiful way to counter deckout is fractal for example.

and  theunamed is right. the guy asked that since the downside of miracle is the same downside as the fractal card both of them should be rares.
Dude asked why is Miracle rare. Perfectly legit question imo. People responded because its powerful. And indeed, it is. But there are more powerful cards that are not rare. Fractal being one of them.

Everyone here gave a correct answer to his questions - the effects the cards do, that are completely different. So if you DO read all the answers here, you will see that miracle IS better then fractal.
Lets disagree here. It is pretty obvious to me that Miracle is not better than Fractal. If it is, you'd see many decks being built around it. Truth is, there are lots of ways to heal yourself, and you can live without Miracle even if you're going for deckout strat.

And how comes saying that RoF could own a fractal is funny? it's true. example : fractal a devourer until you fill the board. you didn't drain all his quantum though, and he has 7 fire quantum. he plays rain of fire. what happens next?

you fractal ray of lights. the opponent plays rain of fire. what happens next?

you fractal dragons. like, hard hitting dragons, like ruby dragons. your opponent plays rof. what happens next?

you fractal light dragon. you play them all. your opponent slowly, but does uses 4 rain of fire. what happens next?
You are either pretending to be dumb to make a point, or you never built a fractal deck. You dont pack one fractal, PESTS survive RoF, you dont fractal ruby dragons, you fractal minor pheonixes, 4 RoFs to kill 1 drop of light dragons is what you call a counter?

Let me just add that fractals are actually played with upped cards, and all game balancing should be done under assumption that all cards are available to a player.

As to last poster, I'm not saying Fractal is OP, I'm saying Fractal is POWERFUL. VERY POWERFUL. Happy?


Anyway, I dont care which cards are given rare status as long as I get to use them. :p
I just had to react to claims (from almost all people involved in the thread) that Miracle is oh so powerful, while Fractal is not. Well there, now you have a different input in this thread. Bai Bai.
I wasn't saying how many people HAVE IT. Actually, it was that, but the real meaning was - who many people can get it? as in, can actually get it anytime to use it? anyone can buy solarshield... but no miracle.


I also said that you can win games by healing - I pointed that out and you pointed out again. yes miracle isn't the only way of healing but it is the most efficient, no?

Obviously dude asked why miracle was rare and fractal not, but he was saying that because it has the same downside.

The miracle is best then fractal part should be jumped. everyone has it's own opinions and you have yours that fractal is better then miracle - that in my opinion it isn't, since fractal only copies cards, and miracle saves you from sure death.


Now, this "You are either pretending to be dumb to make a point, or you never built a fractal deck. You dont pack one fractal, PESTS survive RoF, you dont fractal ruby dragons, you fractal minor pheonixes, 4 RoFs to kill 1 drop of light dragons is what you call a counter"

 is wrong. I don't pack one fractal, but lots of fractal in a deck. but a rof could kill little - hp creatures just the same, no matter if you have 6 fractal - you have 6 rof. that happens.
I wasn't talking about PESTS, i was talking about DEVOURERS. you don't fractal ruby dragons, since they are too much of quantum, but they are still a option. for those who want to go crazy, they don't stop being a option. and anyway, you could rof the minor phoenixes anyway, even if they came back to life later, you could keep rof-ing.

yes, I call 4 rof's a counter. what's the problem with that, exactly? as long as it counters, it is a counter. (obviously.)

I get it that you say that fractal is powerful, not OP. and I never said "fractal is useless. it's not powerful and it's just a random bad card." I never said that fractal is oh so bad, either.


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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107098#msg107098
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2010, 07:42:55 pm »
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He asked why it is a rare because it drains all  :light quanta. Meanwhile, Fractal does the same with  :aether quanta. THAT IS NOT why the Miracle is Rare. We all Explained, and he just refused to listen. Sorry, but thats what is known as a Repeating Radio Troll or Broken Radio, Troll. A One way conversation just to annoy people.
@Malduk: If you really have been following the thread from the beginning, you too will come to the same conclusion. The original poster only wants assurance that his whining about the 'state' of this game nowadays is as bad as he make it to be by using Miracle and Fractal as comparison. Seriously, hes nothing but a troll or as theunamed put it, a broken troll because many have already dismiss his 'whinage' but he keeps repeating the same thing while ignoring what has been said about the subject. He has NO proof Miracle was made a rare due to 'drain all remaining :light quanta' effect but he keeps pounding that for comparison with Fractal. That is just silly, don't you agree?

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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107105#msg107105
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2010, 07:51:54 pm »
Ugh.

I wish all non-weapon and non-nymph cards were made non-rare.  Zanzarino may feel trapped because earlier players had to "work" to obtain these cards and so it would be "unfair" to make them available to all now.  As a player with 6 up'd and unup'd Miracles and Pharaohs I wish they were made available to all--for consistency and to prevent useless threads like this one.  Arguing about why something is rare is useless since no one has proof either way.

And as discussed in other threads: Rarity should never be used to balance a card.

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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107120#msg107120
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2010, 08:12:06 pm »
I think zanz is thinking of making Arctic squid normal at one point don't know if he still is.
Personally, I hope it gets 4 HP instead. Then I'd actually use it as much as it deserves.
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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107362#msg107362
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2010, 02:09:19 am »
Alright since I'm now considered a troll I'll just stop arguing about this. So we all agree Zanzarino purposely made a card that was more powerful then all the others and has uncomparable power. Is that what you guys wanna hear?

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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107368#msg107368
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2010, 02:17:42 am »
Alright since I'm now considered a troll I'll just stop arguing about this. So we all agree Zanzarino purposely made a card that was more powerful then all the others and has uncomparable power. Is that what you guys wanna hear?
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High Tier:These cards are more useful, and stronger
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It fits into high tier, its not at all broken though, therefor it can still be rare, and more powerful, without being TOO powerful.
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Re: Rare Card? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg107369#msg107369
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2010, 02:20:33 am »
Alright since I'm now considered a troll I'll just stop arguing about this. So we all agree Zanzarino purposely made a card that was more powerful then all the others and has uncomparable power. Is that what you guys wanna hear?
There was no reason for anyone to call you a troll.  And I have no idea why Miracle is rare unless it is the reason I stated before.


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Miracle is rare because of its ability. In any game there are several tiers
Bottom Tier:No cards should fit into this.
Low Tier:They arent worthless, but arent realy useful either
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High Tier:These cards are more useful, and stronger
God Tier:Broken. They are too powerful. They shouldnt be in the game for any reason whatsoever
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