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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg128736#msg128736
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2010, 08:41:11 pm »
Here's my view on this whole thing:

On a personal level, I dislike shard farms. Simply because they don't sell for much and take a lot longer to beat if they're upgraded.

That said, I don't mind them at all overall since I know there are many newbs that are thankful every time they see a shard farm. I mean, sure they're an annoyance for the few of us that DO have 6 of every shard (I'd actually rather play a fighting speed deck, since it would take a quarter of the time and be alltogether more interesting), but they're an overall boon for the majority of players so I actually applaud people who put them up.

As to that theory on anti farms, that's dead wrong. I've put up sod/sog/miracle farms, squid/sog/sod farms, squid/trident/sog farms, pharaoh/sog/eternity farms, squid/sor/sog farms, and let me tell you: I don't do it to get an edge on other T50 players.

I do it because I find the reactions VERY funny :D.
Yes, funny... Here's the thing to consider though: people that need shard farms are usually those that need (true) farms the most. Probably dont have fully upped deck that can go through T50 and all rage quit / stall / anti-farm decks.
I couldnt care less for farms. Like you, I'd rather fight speed deck. But what ticks me the wrong way is approach "Here's the farm. It will kill you, deck you out after several minutes, lower your income per time, but you should be grateful anyway as I'm doing you a favor". I cant count how many times I heard on chat someone autoquit "farm" decks. Those are, of course, newbs.

But yeah... People in T50 have every right to setup whatever they want. They earned their place there. But thread like this didnt come as a surprise.

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg128780#msg128780
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2010, 10:06:10 pm »
I honestly try to not make my farms too hard when i make them biting. Although now that i think about what you just posted perhaps my newest farm may be a tad hard for the new players. Haven't really tested the speed out (it's just a 6 SoG, 6 Fahrenheit deck). Maybe i'll unup the shards.

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg129244#msg129244
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2010, 07:04:24 pm »
Looking at this as a player...I hate shards, they only sell for 5 electrum and are essentially a waste of my time since I have 12 of each.  It sucks having 20-30 shards to sell that are worthless.  I wish every t50 would put up a squid/pharaoh farm so I could get the most bang out of my t50 farming time

Looking at it as a t50 member...I get requests for farms every single day.  Shards are usually at the top of noobs rare want list.  So I give them shards, however in horrific evil decks since i refuse to just give rares away.  Like today I made a SoD/SoG farm for the first time with several thorn carapace, a jade staff and a few Jade dragons.  220 hp, 35 per turn healing, 12/9 nearly indestructable creatures, and a shield that kills off your opponents creatures makes for a good challenge for fellow farmers.

Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg129249#msg129249
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2010, 07:15:25 pm »
Looking at this as a player...I hate shards, they only sell for 5 electrum and are essentially a waste of my time since I have 12 of each.  It sucks having 20-30 shards to sell that are worthless.  I wish every t50 would put up a squid/pharaoh farm so I could get the most bang out of my t50 farming time

Looking at it as a t50 member...I get requests for farms every single day.  Shards are usually at the top of noobs rare want list.  So I give them shards, however in horrific evil decks since i refuse to just give rares away.  Like today I made a SoD/SoG farm for the first time with several thorn carapace, a jade staff and a few Jade dragons.  220 hp, 35 per turn healing, 12/9 nearly indestructable creatures, and a shield that kills off your opponents creatures makes for a good challenge for fellow farmers.
Ive asked jmdt for a couple farms but he would put up farms that were really annoying. Then I thought "oh hahahaha why do i need to ask him for farms when i can have other kong members ask him".

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg129255#msg129255
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2010, 07:27:28 pm »
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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg129475#msg129475
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2010, 01:24:37 am »
I don't really mind...at first I was a bit annoyed (I have 30+ of some and 60+ of the green) but I started playing my alt a bit and realized it only have about 2 of each shard. So now I need them and can't really fine any.

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg179007#msg179007
« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2010, 01:08:36 pm »
First of all:
Everybody have a different opinion, so people should be learn to be nicer to deal w/ differing opinions.
(I personally have conflicting opinions on this matter...)

Facts:
1.Farms are a privilege, NOT a right.
2.Shards can make a good deck better.
3.Time is precious.
4.If you are farming, you should not whine about a farm not giving you X or Y cards, but they should be allowed to kindly suggest to the farm makers the prevailing needs of the people.

You can tell that I am pro-farm(1) and especially pro-shard(2) farm.  As for shard farms being a time waster, that depends on why you are  doing T-50.  If you are farming non-shard rares or doing it to study other decks, or trying to boost up score asap, then shard farms could be of varying levels of annoyance.  However, if you are farming for cards or score, you should ideally be built around a quick deck and the shards really won't have time to stall you.  And if they do stall you, your quick deck is probably not good enough, and you either need to make a better deck or you yourself should be farming.  Of course, if you are trying to study another T-50's deck, it might be annoying to go through shard farms that you don't need.  For this particular subset of people, I'd advice patience and remind him/her that at some point in his/her young life, he/she was a n00b who was farming somebody/something else.

Now, my conflicting sense comes from those who didn't get shards from farming.  People who actually donated money to get the shards.  Their contributions to the game has been cheapened from farming shards.  There is a harm to farming shards, but the question is how much?  I am still a n00b who is farming shards since I only have 3 SoG, and nothing else.  Deep down, I pray that all shard farms stay up long enough until I get 6 of each.  Each time I get a shard, I feel that I am robbing the developers of some money that they deserve.  I thank all the T-50 players who make a farm (shard or not, even though I can certainly stop collecting Pharoah's and certain elemental weapons), but I sometimes wonder if they feel just as guilty as I do.

At the end of the day, I hope that this game achieve a level of popularity where the ad/sponsor money is enough to keep it going, and donation money is just a bonus, and I hope that the T-50 players continue to be selfless and make farms with the hope that they'll elevate their fellow gamers to their levels, where the competition should be based not on WHAT cards a player has, but rather HOW they use the cards.  Just my 2 cents.

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg180850#msg180850
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2010, 02:45:16 am »
I benefit from shard farms greatly.  Don't have much luck on the spins, but it's really helping me on my quest to build an upped FG grinder.

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg180922#msg180922
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2010, 06:42:54 am »
2 Months ago and you post here. I will burn your house down.

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg180957#msg180957
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2010, 08:08:37 am »
I love farm decks o_O
If you don't like farm decks then either quit or play on.
It's not like any thinking is involved when vsing one...

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg181329#msg181329
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2010, 10:21:19 pm »
Farms are indeed a privilege, and should not be complained about on the forums. There are threads dedicated to farm requests, and there are other opponents besides the top 50. If I find that I am fighting a ridiculous number of shard farms, then I change up my deck and fight either Level 3 or the False Gods. Of course, the problem here is the fact that most decks on the top 50 that have shards in them aren't farms at all, but actual decks that just happen to use shards. If anything, the annoying part is the fact that they sell for so little. Increasing the selling cost of shards a little bit would make facing shard "farms" a little less annoying, because there would be at least a decent reward (as if 60 electrum from EM wasn't enough).

The problem with "vent" threads like this is that there is usually no discussion to be had. Instead of being part of the problem, be part of the solution and offer a way for this "problem" to be resolved (e.g. increasing the selling cost of non-upgraded shards).

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Re: im getting really tired of shard farms. post here to vent. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10319.msg181333#msg181333
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2010, 10:25:13 pm »
Farms are indeed a privilege, and should not be complained about on the forums. There are threads dedicated to farm requests, and there are other opponents besides the top 50. If I find that I am fighting a ridiculous number of shard farms, then I change up my deck and fight either Level 3 or the False Gods. Of course, the problem here is the fact that most decks on the top 50 that have shards in them aren't farms at all, but actual decks that just happen to use shards. If anything, the annoying part is the fact that they sell for so little. Increasing the selling cost of shards a little bit would make facing shard "farms" a little less annoying, because there would be at least a decent reward (as if 60 electrum from EM wasn't enough).

The problem with "vent" threads like this is that there is usually no discussion to be had. Instead of being part of the problem, be part of the solution and offer a way for this "problem" to be resolved (e.g. increasing the selling cost of non-upgraded shards).
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