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Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189682#msg189682
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:17:03 pm »
With what I know of the elements I see various groupings.
Division A:
1st Group: :aether :air :entropy :life :light :water
2nd Group:  :darkness :death :earth :fire :gravity :time

Division B:
1st Group:  :aether :entropy :gravity :time
2nd Group:  :darkness :death :life :light
3rd Group: :air :earth :fire :water

Does anyone see anything different?
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189702#msg189702
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 08:38:02 pm »
I really like Kael Hate's and Bloodshadow's model

3 Planes
Material: XY plane  :fire [-1,-1,0], :earth [-1,1,0], :water [1,1,0], :air [1,-1,0] at the corners of a square
Spiritual: XZ plane  :darkness [-1,0,-1], :death [-1,0,1], :light [1,0,1], :life [1,0,-1] at the corners of another square
Cardinal: YZ plane  :aether [0,-1,-1], :entropy [0,-1,1], :time [0,1,1], :gravity [0,1,-1] at the corners of a third square

All 3 of these squares can rotate around the third axis
XY around Z
XZ around Y
YZ around X
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189722#msg189722
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 08:51:26 pm »
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I really like Kael Hate's model
I don't know who originally came up with that model, but I did write a short story about it a really long time ago (January 2010). Let's just say that me and Kael Hate both came up with that model independently.
http://www.kongregate.com/forums/22-elements/topics/74573-elements-a-short-story

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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189732#msg189732
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 08:58:39 pm »
Good to know. I will henceforth  credit both of you when I refer to the 3d model.

What is it with  :darkness and wanting to categorize the elements? Easier to conquer?
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189738#msg189738
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 09:02:51 pm »
I think there is a grouping in trios, it's in the event card post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14874.96.html)

Destruction:  :fire :darkness :death
Order:  :earth :gravity :time
Diversion:  :aether :air :entropy
Creation:  :life :light :water

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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189756#msg189756
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 09:21:06 pm »
I think there is a grouping in trios, it's in the event card post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14874.96.html)

Destruction:  :fire :darkness :death
Order:  :earth :gravity :time
Diversion:  :aether :air :entropy
Creation:  :life :light :water
This is an interesting division that might solve the rotation in Kael Hate's and Bloodshadow's model.

Destruction:  :fire (material),  :darkness :death (spiritual)
Order:  :earth (material),  :gravity :time (cardinal)
Diversion:  :air (material), :aether :entropy (cardinal)
Creation:  :life :light (spiritual),  :water (material)

3 Planes
Material: XY plane  :fire [-1,-1,0], :earth [-1,1,0], :water [1,1,0], :air [1,-1,0] at the corners of a square
Spiritual: XZ plane  :darkness [-1,0,-1], :death [-1,0,1], :light [1,0,1], :life [1,0,-1] at the corners of another square
Cardinal: YZ plane   :entropy [0,-1,-1],:aether [0,-1,1], :gravity [0,1,-1], :time [0,1,1] at the corners of a third square
6 Faces:
Destruction:  :fire :darkness :death :earth
vs
Creation:  :life :light :water :air
Order:  :earth :gravity :time :water
vs
Diversion:  :air :aether :entropy :fire
Something:  :light :entropy :time :death
vs
Something else:  :darkness :gravity :aether :life
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189759#msg189759
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2010, 09:22:42 pm »
I think there is a grouping in trios, it's in the event card post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14874.96.html)
That model is made by SG, but it was just one of the models we came up with. It's not official, if that's what you think. Zanz haven't made any comments on elemental groupings yet.
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189761#msg189761
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2010, 09:27:25 pm »
This is an interesting division that might solve the rotation in Kael Hate's and Bloodshadow's model.

Destruction:  :fire (material),  :darkness :death (spiritual)
Order:  :earth (material),  :gravity :time (cardinal)
Diversion:  :air (material), :aether :entropy (cardinal)
Creation:  :life :light (spiritual),  :water (material)

3 Planes
Material: XY plane  :fire [-1,-1,0], :earth [-1,1,0], :water [1,1,0], :air [1,-1,0] at the corners of a square
Spiritual: XZ plane  :darkness [-1,0,-1], :death [-1,0,1], :light [1,0,1], :life [1,0,-1] at the corners of another square
Cardinal: YZ plane   :entropy [0,-1,-1], :aether [0,-1,1], :gravity [0,1,-1], :time [0,1,1] at the corners of a third square
6 Faces:
Destruction:  :fire :darkness :death :earth
vs
Creation:  :life :light :water :air
Order:  :earth :gravity :time :water
vs
Diversion:  :air :aether :entropy :fire
Something:  :light :entropy :time :death
vs
Something else:  :darkness :gravity :aether :life
I guess yes, but I got lost with the faces thing :P

Both "Somethings" may have nothing to do in that part, I mean:  :darkness :gravity :aether :life and  :light :entropy :time :death :-\

That model is made by SG, but it was just one of the models we came up with. It's not official, if that's what you think. Zanz haven't made any comments on elemental groupings yet.
OK, didn't know, but it's still another interesting and maybe useful grouping in events/decks names/other stuff

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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189763#msg189763
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2010, 09:30:06 pm »
Faces are the sides of a cube.
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189765#msg189765
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189769#msg189769
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2010, 09:35:45 pm »
is this correct?

(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd100810/elementalmodel_v1)
Not what I meant. I meant a 3d model.
I will try to create one and post it. (I am no artist)
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Re: Element Grouping https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14931.msg189772#msg189772
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2010, 09:39:08 pm »
is this correct?

(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd100810/elementalmodel_v1)
Not what I meant. I meant a 3d model.
I will try to create one and post it. (I am no artist)
Don't worry, if you can just make a cube/6-sided-3D thing and attach the elements to it it'd be great, because your model is difficult to imagine :P

 

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