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Do you want Shards to be allowed in BL?

Yes.
No.

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in CL?

Yes.
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Do you want Shards to be allowed in PvP Events?

Yes.
No.

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in Tournaments?

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in Trials?

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in War?

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121541#msg1121541
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2014, 03:47:58 pm »
I voted no to all, except for Trials. Cause I liked it to play with them in the final.
Actually I like playing with shards and without shards, but it destroys many things in PvP.
Shards are okay as long as there are restricted rules and make shards "weaker".

edit: Shards in war? Who will participate then?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 03:49:32 pm by Odii Odsen »
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121545#msg1121545
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 04:05:00 pm »
I voted no to all, except for Trials. Cause I liked it to play with them in the final.
Actually I like playing with shards and without shards, but it destroys many things in PvP.
Shards are okay as long as there are restricted rules and make shards "weaker".

edit: Shards in war? Who will participate then?

If you really mean what you put (that I've colored yellow) then you would vote "yes".  No means no shards period, yes means shards with probably restrictions etc on them at least to try.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121548#msg1121548
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 04:21:58 pm »
I voted no to all, except for Trials. Cause I liked it to play with them in the final.
Actually I like playing with shards and without shards, but it destroys many things in PvP.
Shards are okay as long as there are restricted rules and make shards "weaker".

edit: Shards in war? Who will participate then?

If you really mean what you put (that I've colored yellow) then you would vote "yes".  No means no shards period, yes means shards with probably restrictions etc on them at least to try.
But if I have to choose if I would like to play with shards or without I prefer the second  ;)
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121549#msg1121549
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 04:27:36 pm »
I voted no to all, except for Trials. Cause I liked it to play with them in the final.
Actually I like playing with shards and without shards, but it destroys many things in PvP.
Shards are okay as long as there are restricted rules and make shards "weaker".

edit: Shards in war? Who will participate then?

If you really mean what you put (that I've colored yellow) then you would vote "yes".  No means no shards period, yes means shards with probably restrictions etc on them at least to try.
But if I have to choose if I would like to play with shards or without I prefer the second  ;)

To me, that supports voting "yes" at least a few times.  :)  Otherwise, you are voting mostly against what you're saying while also voting against the ability of others to make the same choice - play sometimes with shards other times without.  Voting "no" to all choices indicates the stance nobody should be allowed to use shards in PvP events.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121553#msg1121553
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 04:41:15 pm »
Voted "no" to all.

The game is currently unbalanced enough, allowing shards would increase this imo.

I do generally not participate in events where shards are allowed and I have no intention to do so, this is also the main reason why I never played BL and CL.

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121575#msg1121575
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2014, 07:18:38 pm »

Shards are part of this game, so i don't see the problem.

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121581#msg1121581
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2014, 07:33:43 pm »
 I'm REALLY enjoying seeing that the vote is split, I believe that newbie members tend to be more favorable to shards.

 IRT looks, I particularly play shardless every time my opponent ask, and also even without nymphs If they ask, many players wish to ban nymphs in BL.
also in the last duel against Demesne I asked  shardless. and indeed the deck that made me move up in standings was shardless, I think that just lost 3 and won more than 10.  OP and dominant decks always will exist.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121682#msg1121682
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2014, 03:31:20 am »
I voted yes to CL, tournaments, and PvP events. On a limited basis. But a limited yes is still a yes, so...
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121990#msg1121990
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2014, 12:35:28 pm »
I voted yes to CL, tournaments, and PvP events. On a limited basis. But a limited yes is still a yes, so...
Undecided for the others.

Why yes to CL and not to BL?


There should be a third option: Yes, but restricted.

I voted no to all, except for Trials. Cause I liked it to play with them in the final.
Actually I like playing with shards and without shards, but it destroys many things in PvP.
Shards are okay as long as there are restricted rules and make shards "weaker".

edit: Shards in war? Who will participate then?

If you really mean what you put (that I've colored yellow) then you would vote "yes".  No means no shards period, yes means shards with probably restrictions etc on them at least to try.
But if I have to choose if I would like to play with shards or without I prefer the second  ;)

To me, that supports voting "yes" at least a few times.  :)  Otherwise, you are voting mostly against what you're saying while also voting against the ability of others to make the same choice - play sometimes with shards other times without.  Voting "no" to all choices indicates the stance nobody should be allowed to use shards in PvP events.
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The problem is, yes is yes, and restricted is restricted. The experience showed me that you can not make restricted rules for shards. Especially not in a League. So I voted for "No" cause it makes more fun playing BL/CL without them. it's nice to have it for variety, but I could do without it.
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No, it's not. Yes means you want them in any form. How they appear is always going to be up to the organizers, no matter the PvP instance.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1122012#msg1122012
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2014, 05:05:39 pm »
Yes to all except BL. BL having shards in use doesn't seem as newb-friendly to me. It increases the chance of people being afraid to enter because they are afraid of tons of rares being used against them. Plus some newbs blame losses on a certain shard or shards being used against them which just makes it less fun at times. I support winning just due to having a better deck overall but having things like 'the deck' or a SoB deck out in BL just doesn't seem fun to me.

Trials is one that I'm undecided on. I voted yes though mainly due to wanting to see experimentation.

Due to my view of seeing the deck building in the fail test of war with shards(I was in time) it doesn't seem so much that war with shards is imba as much as it just requires you to be more creative with your deck building, which I think is a good thing.

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1122013#msg1122013
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2014, 05:09:34 pm »
In any form is too vague for me, so I prefer no shards.
The reason is:
1. I don't like the shard rule in leagues in relation to the current form. So far there is no balanced solution.
2. I can't tell you if I like shards in PvP events, cause it really depends on the PvP event type.
3. Shards in tourneys are cool- sometimes. It wouldn't be fun if we can play Shards every time in weekly tournaments. (I know it wouldn't be like that...) But one tourney out of 15 with shards is okay. When people ask for more, then rather no than yes.
4. In Trials it was fun, but I would like to see shards only in the final match and just with restrictions.
5. War with shards? No way! Elements like Fire, death or Air, which are already very strong would be more powerful. Darkness wouldn't benefit very much of this change. In other words, it would be unfair.


Edit:
Yes to all except BL. BL having shards in use doesn't seem as newb-friendly to me. It increases the chance of people being afraid to enter because they are afraid of tons of rares being used against them. Plus some newbs blame losses on a certain shard or shards being used against them which just makes it less fun at times. I support winning just due to having a better deck overall but having things like 'the deck' or a SoB deck out in BL just doesn't seem fun to me.

That means, it's okay if anybody who has no upgraded shards and who anyway has only 3-5 upgraded decks, has to deal with it in CL?
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