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Do you want Shards to be allowed in BL?

Yes.
No.

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in CL?

Yes.
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Do you want Shards to be allowed in PvP Events?

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in Tournaments?

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in Trials?

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Do you want Shards to be allowed in War?

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121433#msg1121433
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2014, 11:14:44 pm »
Shards should be allowed in everything but war. In war, shards would give advantages to certain elements (for example, Gravity, Time, and Death, as they fit in mono decks well) while other elements would not get much of advantage (for example, Earth and Entropy, because war restrictions would make decks using their respective shards much harder to use effectively). Also, if certain shard decks become too strong in the war meta and dominate a majority of teams, any attempts to counter them would be difficult with the limited card pool.

In all other events, players can build decks around shards and change their decks/strategy to counter or compete in a meta with shards. This will bring more variety to the events.

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121434#msg1121434
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2014, 11:26:16 pm »
I voted for 'No' in BL, tourneys and PvP events. We all know certain shards restrict the metagame and they would repel newer players for introducing themselves in PvP events. Also, there's a reason why many people agree to play shardless.
CL and Trials are suposed to be played by "the most elite players" so it's OK if they could be run with everything the game has.
I voted for 'Yes' in War too just because I'm curious about how it would affect it.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121435#msg1121435
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2014, 11:29:17 pm »
Well, I saw many with graboid, nova, discord and fractal
will be having some difficult to counteract a element especific with these cards?, yes I guess
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121441#msg1121441
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 11:51:15 pm »
I voted yes for everything but war. As legit pointed out, shards simply aren't balanced in the current war rules. In other events they might still not be balanced compared to the full card base, but there is nothing from stopping you from bringing your own sharded decks, aside from collection issues, therefore I don't want them outright banned from other events 'just because'.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121446#msg1121446
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2014, 12:26:57 am »
I voted yes for everything.  However, with the exception of leagues, I think that they should be restricted in some way, at least most of the time.  For example, the current WC rules are a good example of how to do shards.  You can use them, but they cost you some upgrades.  In tournaments, in the time I've been here, there was a shard of serendipity tournament, and a shard of gratitude tournament, where those were legal, respectively.  The first didn't have any restrictions around the shard itself (I think you could only use cards with random effects, like fate egg, mutation, dusk shield, pandemonium, etc) but the second had some sort of card limit and a forced mark of life based on the number of shards you used.

War is going to be a lot trickier to balance the shards around.  In most other events, people can choose from any of the 12 elements, so one element having a far superior shard doesn't really affect much, but in war, it makes a much bigger difference because of the elemental loyalty.  If a way can be found to properly balance shard use in war, I'm all for it, and would encourage their use, but if not, I'm ok with shardless war as well.  I'd also rather not see it limited to something like one shard per deck, because that would increase the luck factor too much.  (Oh, look, the death guy just topdecked his lone SoSa... lol)  I don't have any suggestions on how to do it, but if a balanced method can be found in war, I think they should be used.  If not, then that's fine, too.

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121470#msg1121470
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2014, 03:00:30 am »
Voted yes to all but Trials and War. I feel like in PvP Events and Tournaments, people would still control them if they're "officially" allowed (like us TOs did once). Trials and War are a no because they are commonly less- or unrestricted PvP.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121509#msg1121509
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2014, 12:16:25 pm »
Shards are part of the game now and I believe we need to embrace them. I don't particularly like most of them either but it would be a step forward to include them more and more, so a definite yes Events and Tournies. BL and CL I do not know about as I have no experience in them. Trials already had shards so I believe it's okay since you can ban them. As for War.. I'm on the fence about that. Still we will never know unless we try a sharded war. It might skew the elemental balance even more and probably not in favor of the currently worse elements.

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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121524#msg1121524
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2014, 02:03:55 pm »
>People actually like shards and think they're good for the game

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Shards have ruined the once nearly perfect meta of this game. When using a purposefully over powered card is a requirement to win, or you have to use other over powered cards to counter your opponents over powered cards, or what have you, you have a problem with your game's balance. When that card is hard to acquire due to rarity, you have another problem; shunning new players. Other games have cards that are banned from competitive play to preserve the game's integrity, why can't we?

I'll admit I hesitated clicking no for CL. Having just one instance of unrestricted play can't be that bad, I thought at first. But I decided against it in the end.

Shards should be used for farming/grinding the AI and nothing more.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121529#msg1121529
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 02:55:20 pm »
>People actually like shards and think they're good for the game

Spoiler for Hidden:

Shards have ruined the once nearly perfect meta of this game. When using a purposefully over powered card is a requirement to win, or you have to use other over powered cards to counter your opponents over powered cards, or what have you, you have a problem with your game's balance. When that card is hard to acquire due to rarity, you have another problem; shunning new players. Other games have cards that are banned from competitive play to preserve the game's integrity, why can't we?

I'll admit I hesitated clicking no for CL. Having just one instance of unrestricted play can't be that bad, I thought at first. But I decided against it in the end.

Shards should be used for farming/grinding the AI and nothing more.
Look, they've been nerfed. At least give them a quick shot in one category to see if they've been nerfed enough.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121531#msg1121531
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 03:01:00 pm »
Why can't we see results if we haven't voted? I will not vote for CL since I have no plans of joining it anytime soon, but would be interesting to see the results nonetheless.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121533#msg1121533
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2014, 03:12:18 pm »
Why can't we see results if we haven't voted? I will not vote for CL since I have no plans of joining it anytime soon, but would be interesting to see the results nonetheless.
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Re: Do you want Shards to be allowed? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53399.msg1121534#msg1121534
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2014, 03:13:12 pm »
I voted yes to all. Shards are part of the game. There are other OP cards too, such as dims / fractal and some events put restrictions or bans on them and that same treatment would be fine for shards too.  Outright rejecting them makes no sense.

 

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