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Dissipation Shield + Enchant Artifact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48.msg583#msg583
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

Spell damage decks and quantum blocking decks can beat this strategy easily.

Klingzog

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

the guy your facing is generating 36 quanta a round, you're doing 49 in that pic.
Except that one quanta blocks 3 damage.
Actually, I think the upgraded version takes 1 quanta for 1 damage, it just takes any quanta. Unlike the normal version which takes 1 quanta for 3 damage, but only takes entropy.

And there are only very few decks who specialize in destroying pillars or withdrawing mana.
But lots of decks focus on dealing damage. As Redicular said, you could have easily beat this person if you'd had more cards. That's simply what this kinda deck prays on. You just have to get lucky with your own draw to deal damage quickly enough to stop them gaining quanta more quanta than you take off.

kraze

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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

imo dissipation shield is too overpowered especially in god deck

every time chaos lord use it i quit because there is no way i can out dmg 10+ pillar + 3x mark per turn

oki

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

And there are only very few decks who specialize in destroying pillars or withdrawing mana.


oki

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

As indicated by the amount of my mana this went on for quite a while and I kept attacking him but his overall mana only kept descreasing slightly. He just kept drawing pillars, only played a few artifacts and free creatures and removed a few of my creatures. I only had 32 cards in this deck so that was probably the problem.

oki

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

Played against another upgraded Dissipation Shield now, but without Enchant Artifact. Didn't make any difference because I didn't have Deflagration in the hand anyway. This is the position one round after the the shield came into play, game was over in 3 or 4 rounds :)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2090/element3.png


oki

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

That seems to be an uncounterable strategy using the upgraded Shield which apparently can use any mana to absorb damage. At one point in the match I was doing 50 dmg per turn but it was all absorbed because the other player had 12 Quantum Pillars. I eventually ran out of cards.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8748/elements2.png


oki

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

the guy your facing is generating 36 quanta a round, you're doing 49 in that pic.
Except that one quanta blocks 3 damage.

Redicular

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

nothing wrong there... he enchanted the shield, destroy the pillars.

dissipation field (which by the way is what nq diss used to be) is still a pure delaying tactic

the guy your facing is generating 36 quanta a round, you're doing 49 in that pic.

now you're screwed at the point shown because you only have one card left, but any earlier you had the ability to overcome his shield based on time

92 quanta before you attack
43 after your attack
79 after his round
30 after your attack
66 after his round
17 after your attack
53 after his round
4 after your attack( if you deflag a pillar he's at 0 here)
40 after his round
0  and you get in ~9 damage this round
he attacks
if you use your fire bolts well, he dies

yes he might play more pillars in those rounds, but you're using lava golems, you're characters are getting stronger faster than he's getting pillars(he gains +3 quanta gain per round you gain +6 damage per round)

5 more rounds you win, you just carded out, the ENTIRE purpose of his strat... diss sacrificies your attacking ability, in the form of your quanta for calling creatures, to delay your opponents offensive... rainbow and other non-focused (i.e. not 30 card) decks eat it alive, fast damage eats it alive, direct damage spells(those fire bolts you have sitting un-used) eat it alive, earthquake/tsunami REALLY eat it alive.

it's a good strat, but not un-beatable.... hell it takes 2 draws to set it up, and it has to be done mid-late fight or you won't have the quanta base for the shield to survive

Redicular

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:29 pm »

Played against another upgraded Dissipation Shield now, but without Enchant Artifact. Didn't make any difference because I didn't have Deflagration in the hand anyway. This is the position one round after the the shield came into play, game was over in 3 or 4 rounds :)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2090/element3.png

that's what i meant earlier when i said:
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and it has to be done mid-late fight or you won't have the quanta base for the shield to survive
he played his shield too early(didn't have the pillar/towers needed), so you not only were able to fight through it, but in the process you ate all his quanta so he couldn't even counter attack.

grats on getting some payback.

 

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