Discussion/Study of Elements of Nature

[Ekki]

@Wonder: If we're discussing Time in purely physical terms, read a bit into quantum theory. Nothing in this universe is truly certain.

^^This. Not that it defends my point, but it's something I firmly believe (in my simple mind and with my simple arguments).

[Wonder]

Sorry I misunderstood :/

[Flayne]

Wow so many replies, sorry if i was quite inactive in between, and i really appreciate everyone contributing and commenting, it will help the study advance 
well to start things off

I prefer the Material, Spiritual, Cardinal division.
Material:
Spiritual:
Cardinal:
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However I am interested in seeing how you defend your theory.
Specifically
  "3.   Must depend on something else to exist/to be active" Earth exists without anything but EM forces.
"2.  Not have any consequence to planet if the element is absent from it " This is irrelevant because a planet is either Earth or Air. So since both are included in the list then all elements qualify for this.

the definiton of earth doesn´t necessarily mean the planet Earth because there´s earth as in dust or rock, but i see your point.
rocky masses in space depend on electromagnetic forces which in time forms their gravity and are comprised of hardened liquids and elements and in some cases gas. so it does depend on something else.
for the other point, there are also liquid/ice planets as well such as Uranus which is mainly comprised of icy components and water.
it could be argued that since the planet uranus has a thin layer of crust, it can be considered as earth but then again that particular crust is also comprised of thicker layers of ice as well.

so it can be said that this planet does lack a pure earthly crust, which in turn doesn´t have a consequence on the planet.

however if my point doesn´t really satisfy you or how  could fit into the rules, can you help me reconfigure the rules for terrestrial Elements?
how would you be able to classify an Earthly Element?


i shall respond to other contributions, and discussions slowly since i have been a bit inactive lately (since im somewhere else and not using my computer)

thanks again everyone

[Wonder]

I'll ask another question then
What exactly is Entropy? I've read a few discussions but I honestly still don't have a clue what it is..

[OldTrees]

I'll ask another question then
What exactly is Entropy? I've read a few discussions but I honestly still don't have a clue what it is..

Entropy is the tendency for things to become less structured.
Two types of air will mix more readily than they will separate.

[Wonder]

Ohhh ok.. I never even heard of Entropy before Elements xD

[Raptor6789]

about the darkness/light thing...
darkness is the opposite of light. where there is light, darkness will not exist. without light, darkness will take over.
its not so much as the elements being composed of matter.
i like bloodshadow's metaphorical definition of darkness.

and... all of the elements control a certain aspect of our life. without a single element, our life would not exist. i'd say that these elements will be hard to classify since they are meant to control different things.

[Wonder]

Isn't gravity a crucial Element for our survival?
But it is hard to classify since we can't really manipulate Gravity, unlike Fire or Water, which we have almost complete control over.

[Flayne]

about the darkness/light thing...
darkness is the opposite of light. where there is light, darkness will not exist. without light, darkness will take over.
its not so much as the elements being composed of matter.
i like bloodshadow's metaphorical definition of darkness.

and... all of the elements control a certain aspect of our life. without a single element, our life would not exist. i'd say that these elements will be hard to classify since they are meant to control different things.

I like that metaphorical definiton too since it gives darkness its personal characteristics rather than just
"Absence of light" 
Im trying to classify them according to their existence, but not by what they control.
although classifying them according to that would be difficult, since they affect each other in some ways.

Isn't gravity a crucial Element for our survival?
But it is hard to classify since we can't really manipulate Gravity, unlike Fire or Water, which we have almost complete control over.

lol i removed my post right before you made your post.
because i reconsidered what i was saying, it was more of a brain storm than anything so please ignore that.
I now believe gravity is a great EON because even though we dont use purposely, it still has a purpose, and thats to maintain us on ground 
and it exists elsewhere, including our sun, which causes our orbiting around it, helps us gain solar energy all over the world also helps photosynthesis. I concur it should be considerd as an EON.

but i´m wondering:

Electricity is something we have great power of because we can generate it on our own, but that doesn´t mean its artificial because it also exists in nature in the form of lightning. electricity already existed, we just use it to a greater extent, but why isn´t that considered as an EON?

[Wonder]

Oh ok haha, yeah your right.. Gravity and Earth have a direct relationship.

[Bloodshadow]

I generally try to make the elements as detached from the physical world as possible. For example, I don't think of Fire as the chemical reaction that releases heat, but rather the type of elemental energy that allow such chemical reactions to take place. In the case of something more tangible, like Earth, I think of it as the type of elemental energy that allow atoms to stick together and form rocks. In their purest forms, namely quanta, the elements are all pure energy with no physical forms.

In the case of Light and Darkness... Well, physically Light is a form of electromagnetic radiation, so it would fall under Aether; Darkness is the absence of Light, so it doesn't really exist. I have to metaphorically tie them to the human concepts of altruism and selfishness, to give them their own unique characteristics. It's the same with Life and Death: physically they don't exist, but metaphorically they relate to the concepts of growth and decay. This is why I call these four elements Spiritual, because they wouldn't have any meaning if sentient creatures do not exist.

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Honestly, first time I knew Elements the Game, I was disappointed. I don't know why time, gravity, aether, entropy, life, and death are categorized as nature elements.

Even since I was a child, I have decided what the standard elements are, or at least in my ideal. Those are:
Fire
Water
Air
Thunder
Rock ("Colorless" human-type creatures belong to this)
Wood ("Colorless" animal-type creatures belong to this)
Metal
Light
Darkness

There are nine. And I've never seen any story or games which use exactly those 9 elements. The only one approaches that was Digimon Frontier, with an addition of Ice. But I always think that Ice element is included in Water element. And if there's Ice element, why there's no lava element?

Still, I never consider time, gravity, and etc who are abstract to be any element.