Chat - Blab versus Discord

[ARTHANASIOS]

Is it just me or DANIEELA has 3 separate accounts/usernames in Discord?

[Naii_the_Baf]

Is it just me or DANIEELA has 3 separate accounts/usernames in Discord?

No, only two. danil is someone else.

[MasterWalks]

I want to start by saying I am active on both chat rooms but I highly prefer Blab over Discord.
Reasons why;

• As stated, Discord has very annoying bots. The main bot that I dislike is Ayana. Ayana is the anime reaction bot and because of that bot I do not open Discord at work or really in public. It is sexualized and distasteful. Because if this, even in private i stay away from #general, which sadly is where everyone typically is.
• If you get on Discord, you will notice that MUCH of it is not even EtG talk. Why name the server Elements if most of the discussion literally looks like a high school Facebook comments? I understand that there are different rooms, but the other rooms are typically empty.
• No dice rolls! Dice rolls are not just "compete for highest roll" it is also used in some game modes, Pot Luck/That Duo Mode/Choosing who goes first etc. We need some sort of bot to keep those game modes alive.    EDIT: Looks like there is a dice roll bot on discord. Very Nice

These are the MAIN issues that cause my dislike for it. Honestly, get rid of Ayana and i can deal with no EtG talk as i assume most of the Blab-ers will probably stay in the actual elements room. I do want to add that i enjoy the mobile notifications i get when someone PM's me and i am not near a computer.

[worldwideweb3]

You're basically giving up having a smartphone with myriad of functions and an incredible potential for an old stationary phone that barely works at this point, you know that, right?

The people who you are asking to move (the one on blab right now) don't have a use for those functions and as such, its just more complex and a hassle.

[Fippe94]

I want to start by saying I am active on both chat rooms but I highly prefer Blab over Discord.
Reasons why;

• As stated, Discord has very annoying bots. The main bot that I dislike is Ayana. Ayana is the anime reaction bot and because of that bot I do not open Discord at work or really in public. It is sexualized and distasteful. Because if this, even in private i stay away from #general, which sadly is where everyone typically is.
• If you get on Discord, you will notice that MUCH of it is not even EtG talk. Why name the server Elements if most of the discussion literally looks like a high school Facebook comments? I understand that there are different rooms, but the other rooms are typically empty.
• No dice rolls! Dice rolls are not just "compete for highest roll" it is also used in some game modes, Pot Luck/That Duo Mode/Choosing who goes first etc. We need some sort of bot to keep those game modes alive.    EDIT: Looks like there is a dice roll bot on discord. Very Nice

These are the MAIN issues that cause my dislike for it. Honestly, get rid of Ayana and i can deal with no EtG talk as i assume most of the Blab-ers will probably stay in the actual elements room. I do want to add that i enjoy the mobile notifications i get when someone PM's me and i am not near a computer.

Dice rolls already exists, through a bot. I do actually agree with ayana though, it's pretty annoying.

[shockcannon]

I think it's fine to keep discussing pros and cons for a while, but action would be a logical and necessary next step towards either compromise or making a decision. This is what I propose (feel free to comment on whether you like or dislike this proposal or how it could be changed to be more effective):

While I know no one likes to be forced to do anything, compromise requires sacrifice on both sides. I think we should all give our word and agree to test run both discord and blab. I propose we spend a week where everyone on blab agrees to use discord as if it were the main chat for elements the game. We would discuss elements, ask questions, roll dice, coordinate league games, and even run a weekly tournament on discord. Obviously some people could stay in blab in case new players happen upon the chat, but for the most part everyone would agree that if they want to chat about something, they will use discord. In preparation for this, Discord channel for elements would be set up as if the move was happening. This means that subchannels will be reorganized in the way that several people discussed, bots would be optimized as best as possible, some useless bots would be removed, and unnecessary subchannels would be combined or removed.

During this time, everyone would look at Discord objectively, trying to see if they would be OKAY with using Discord and looking at the situation as if blab had never existed. I know ultimately it is a comparison, but actively looking for things to compare brings a lot of bias into the situation.

After this, I propose that we spend the next week using blab exclusively, with heavy Discord users agreeing to return to blab. During this time, they can see if blab is really as outdated as they think, or if they forgot what blab was like with a large active daily community. Again, people would try to be as objective as they can, being honest about features that blab has that are beneficial (or could be seen as beneficial).

I know a lot of blab users already use Discord and likewise Discord users have probably spent years using blab already. But this is more to test what it's like when the ENTIRE community is using just the one chat. If everyone goes into this biased and looking for things to complain about then it won't be useful. However, if people are willing to give the other platform a chance, I think this will provide us with more information to make a better informed decision about whether to fully move to Discord or not.

[Wyand]

This would be a fine idea if we were just robots. But alas! We are human. Emotional. There are ppl who will try every new thing,
especially if a lot of other ppl doing the same. And there are those who like to stick already working methods - until there is a
MUCH better method. I'm in the latter group. (It doesn't mean I don't like experimenting, sure it is cool! But I don't experiment
with certain basic things.)

Again, your idea would work wonders with robots. But ultimately our choice is very biased because of our deeply emotional brain.

[shockcannon]

Honestly, even if you go into it super biased I think it's still worth it to test out each scenario. I honestly don't really have a major preference, if anything I lean towards staying with blab. However, I know there are people who feel strongly for one side of the other. If someone feels strongly about a particular issue, and they see the other side attempting to stand in their shoes, it makes them feel more respected at the very least. I know that was kind of a general statement, but I think at least spending two weeks to test having the entire community on one chat or the other will be helpful to the community.

That's just my overall opinion though. If this doesn't get enough support we don't have to run these "test weeks," but I thought I'd throw the idea out there.

[dawn to dusk]

The reason I like Discord so much is because I use it to a greater extent than just an EtG chat service. Communities from other games that I actively follow, I can easily get a Discord server for them. I participate in 3-5 different servers, and discussions in each whenever I feel like it.

The people already using Discord for something else are indubitably already on Discord, even if it were alongside blab. They need no convincing. The switch is exactly about those people not using it for anything else.

I didn't join Discord with the intentions of going onto multiple servers. I joined Discord with the intention of talking to people I knew from EtG. To be honest, during this time I preferred Blab, I was used to it more, some features I preferred, etc. I subsequently joined other Discords, as I saw links to them in various places. Reddit, other forums, etc. After joining them, I saw the merits that Discord had better.

Point is (and was, of that post), people who would only be apart of the EtG community and nothing else ever would see no point in changing. But if someone were to consider looking at other games and would be willing to join other servers, FEH Discord, TESL Discord, etc, even if only for the novelty, Discord is better.

I want to start by saying I am active on both chat rooms but I highly prefer Blab over Discord.
Reasons why;

• As stated, Discord has very annoying bots. The main bot that I dislike is Ayana. Ayana is the anime reaction bot and because of that bot I do not open Discord at work or really in public. It is sexualized and distasteful. Because if this, even in private i stay away from #general, which sadly is where everyone typically is.
• If you get on Discord, you will notice that MUCH of it is not even EtG talk. Why name the server Elements if most of the discussion literally looks like a high school Facebook comments? I understand that there are different rooms, but the other rooms are typically empty.
• No dice rolls! Dice rolls are not just "compete for highest roll" it is also used in some game modes, Pot Luck/That Duo Mode/Choosing who goes first etc. We need some sort of bot to keep those game modes alive.    EDIT: Looks like there is a dice roll bot on discord. Very Nice

These are the MAIN issues that cause my dislike for it. Honestly, get rid of Ayana and i can deal with no EtG talk as i assume most of the Blab-ers will probably stay in the actual elements room. I do want to add that i enjoy the mobile notifications i get when someone PM's me and i am not near a computer.

• Ayana has some nice commands, AFK command being one of the more predominant ones, but it is a bot that was introduced as a fun novelty thing. It is easy to remove.
• If everyone on Blab moved to Discord, there would be discussion about EtG on Discord. This isn't an argument against migration.

EDIT
Some people from the change from IRC to Blab didn't approve of the change, some left, others didn't. And some changed their mind after using Blab for a while. I fully expect the same to happen for Discord. Sure, some will leave. Those who stay might change their mind. Just something to look at.
This isn't an argument for or against moving. It's its own statement. That's all

[dawn to dusk]

Double post because it's relevant

It is possible to join Discord as a guest account, by registering as an unclaimed account. This is currently not possible for the EtG server, as we have a higher level of security, but this can be changed.

Spoiler for Hidden:

From discord.gg, you will see this screen

Spoiler for Hidden:

Hit that button and you will see

Spoiler for Hidden:

Enter a name and hit the arrow.

Skip the message that says "Getting Started" (if you want you can follow through with that, it's up to you), and you will see this screen

Spoiler for Hidden:

Click out of this, and it will go away. If you wish to make an account later, there will be places for you to do so.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Seeing this screen, hit the plus on the left hand side, and you will be brought to an option of whether to join a server or make a server. Hit join and enter the Discord invite link: https://discord.gg/qAmfB8T
You will now be in the server and will be able to post.

EDIT: This is a proof of concept. Obviously it would be nicer to have a higher amount of security, to get less spammers, trolls, etc. But it is fully possible to join Discord as a guest. Also, despite the number of screenshots, it is a rather simple thing to do.

[Kalinuial]

As the discussion continues, I find my reservation isn't with discord, the chat app or being for blab.  It's with the people/community I observed in Discord and blab/forum. 

As I read the comments that typically support discord vs. blab, I'm with the people in support for blab.   I don't always agree with how the active veterans in blab/forum say/do things; sometimes they are contentious; sometimes they are blunt, crushing, and spiky.  But I do respect that they are active, they are knowledgeable and answer questions, and they contribute.  These players still provide the greatest value to the game, as much as it may be on thin ice. These people are not admins, most not even council, some not even staff.  I think we all know that had EtG kept going with active development, it could have reached a level of complexity in strategy, yet simplicity in mechanics that is ultimately satisfying.  Right now, it might be at 75% max potential.  The thing is, I can't think of another game at 100% that draws me away from EtG at 75%.  If there are, please PM them to me!

The people that are most active designing/managing events, participating in them, are the one's whose opinion I will consider strongest.  It doesn't really matter to me what logic/arguments the discord crowd throws.  They would need to be most active in events to begin with to really get me to listen. 

Game. People. Most active.
 

[DoctorC]

You're basically giving up having a smartphone with myriad of functions and an incredible potential for an old stationary phone that barely works at this point, you know that, right?

The people who you are asking to move (the one on blab right now) don't have a use for those functions and as such, its just more complex and a hassle.

And how do you suppose they find the use if theyre actively against trying these functions in the first place? Shockcannon offered an amazing concept to prove to the entire community which chat system it likes the most, IMO. I cant speak for the entirety of discord's residents, but we would gladly demonstrate all of the volunteers how and why things work in discord. Not only that, but this experiment will prove that etg-based talk is easily disrupted in blab and can be easily created in discord :p

As the discussion continues, I find my reservation isn't with discord, the chat app or being for blab.  It's with the people/community I observed in Discord and blab/forum. 

As I read the comments that typically support discord vs. blab, I'm with the people in support for blab.   I don't always agree with how the active veterans in blab/forum say/do things; sometimes they are contentious; sometimes they are blunt, crushing, and spiky.  But I do respect that they are active, they are knowledgeable and answer questions, and they contribute.  These players still provide the greatest value to the game, as much as it may be on thin ice. These people are not admins, most not even council, some not even staff.  I think we all know that had EtG kept going with active development, it could have reached a level of complexity in strategy, yet simplicity in mechanics that is ultimately satisfying.  Right now, it might be at 75% max potential.  The thing is, I can't think of another game at 100% that draws me away from EtG at 75%.  If there are, please PM them to me!

The people that are most active designing/managing events, participating in them, are the one's whose opinion I will consider strongest.  It doesn't really matter to me what logic/arguments the discord crowd throws.  They would need to be most active in events to begin with to really get me to listen. 

Game. People. Most active.

* DoctorC Casually points out that most active people in this very thread are pro-discord

I mean, sure,we're bending the point, but both Dawn and us have put a lot of time to rebuttal all the things you people present as pro-blab point.