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Re: Testing out the Oracle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68312.msg1308152#msg1308152
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2024, 10:53:38 pm »
Hmmm, maybe I'll mail the developers of Flashpoint. Tomorrow I had Crimson Dragon Oracle / Ash Eater pet, but no Distis to check...
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Re: Testing out the Oracle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68312.msg1308153#msg1308153
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2024, 05:17:01 pm »
imagine a web developer being questioned about a game that the developer himself left dead since 2014 

i can admit it now but there was an exploit with the oracle himself. By using a crappy browser or a slow computer there was a way to "manipulate" the element you will pick by simply counting the spins AFTER u clicked the button. Example: u knew your browser/pc would move 5 boxes after the click. U want to hunt for air nymph: click on gravity, 5 boxes after there is air.
Imagine hunting for a specific nymph how "easy" will be to get by excluding all the other 11 elements. That's why i had the most useful nymphs (:air :water :time).

 Looking at the nymph thread

https://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/elements-nymph-count/3732/

i posted 43 times. And i logged "daily" from 2015 to maybe half 2019, i had a lot of nymphs and i discovered this "exploit" in 2017 for getting my first golden nymph.

https://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/elements-nymph-count/msg1295116/#msg1295116

"manual was inactive most part of the year" and still got 6 nymphs. The trick worked maybe 60-70% of times: by clearing the pc cache, the spin would "reset" and set to a different number of spins. Some days i would even forget about counting the spins, some days i would missclick. So it wasn't an exploit that allowed to have 20 nymphs but totally a good way to get at least the  :air easily, which was the most useful for pvp, then  :water and so on.

No idea why nobody said it or if this rumour was shutted down and kept in the staff/council. Probably a way to get a staff position was keep the secret, seeing how much incompetence i assisted in the years. I can't believe i was the only to do it since it was so easy to figure out. It did not even started for nymphs, but simply not spinning crappy elements for submitting the arena deck.

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So whatever issues u have with flashpoint, the "original" oracle was flawed and easy to manipulate. If u emulate it or use an offline version is a miracle it does not crash the entire game
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Re: Testing out the Oracle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68312.msg1308154#msg1308154
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2024, 09:12:48 pm »
I still don't understand the "hack". The number of spins after the click changes for each occasion.
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Re: Testing out the Oracle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68312.msg1308156#msg1308156
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2024, 10:07:18 pm »
most days the animation for spins did not change. if the movement was 5 boxes today would be the same 5 boxes tomorrow until something happened (clear cache, using a different browser and so on). The animation of the wheel was already slow by himself and prone to lag on slower pc. Maybe it was informations stored somewhere that did not get deleted. I am not a programmer so i really can't figure out how it was possible.

I also had the hypothesis of the wheel's animation simply helping with the timing on my click, because the oracle had broken rng which is probably the issue you have with spinning 26 mantles. The only thing i know is everyday i had a 60-70% chance to spin the element i wanted, and i can't believe i was the only to do it

I also forgot the purple nymph bug (if it was real and if it was fixed at some point), existing 2 times in the oracle. It was easy to figure out because at one point, most players had more  :entropy nymphs than other elements. But nobody ever tracked the chance to spin mantles or any other "common" card more than others when elements was alive.
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Re: Testing out the Oracle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68312.msg1308175#msg1308175
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2024, 07:00:41 am »
for what it's worth, oracle manipulation was vaguely known, largely due to the experimentation of Kael Hate. I don't recall him sharing specific methods, likely out of respect for the then-active Zanz, and other active community members at the time didn't seem to actively research it, so there weren't many public details. the concept seemed to just not be interesting enough to the community at large for it to not fade into myth more than anything else. I had a couple conversations about it with different people over the years that never resulted in new attention or research on it

I definitely expect that some others found it over time and used it also, and chose not to share it, maybe for reasons similar to whatever yours may have been. I would like to assume good faith and think that if anyone came across the exploit and believed it would negatively affect the pvp scene, that they would bring it up, and not simply try to gain a large competitive advantage. maybe in a pvp ecosystem that wasn't slowly dying, more people would have looked into oracle manipulation and a discussion would have been necessary

No idea why nobody said it or if this rumour was shutted down and kept in the staff/council. Probably a way to get a staff position was keep the secret, seeing how much incompetence i assisted in the years. I can't believe i was the only to do it since it was so easy to figure out. It did not even started for nymphs, but simply not spinning crappy elements for submitting the arena deck.

to speak plainly about this bit - on some level, I sympathize with where you're coming from, as someone who both suspects that certain events had some unfair activity behind the scenes, and had to clean up other staffer's messes on occasion (with the clear acknowledgement that I created some problems for others also)

but I can absolutely guarantee that knowledge of oracle manipulation was not something ever used for staff leverage. it just wasn't a concept valuable enough to be limited and used as currency. the reasons for staff incompetence were far simpler than that: not enough active and dedicated people left to fill the sheer number of roles created over the years, with many longtime members falling to burnout. I know we didn't get along in that time, but I hope you can understand that I have zero reason to lie about the history of this place, given how much time has passed since then
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