Best FG killer without Lobo/eternity

[TheOwner]

They send out one or two low attack creatures not 14 low attack creatures

[kobisjeruk]

Thats not necessarily true. Against a god like FG or Ferox, who have the potential to spam many creatures, an aflatoxin can help even before your shield because it stops them from creating as many creatures.

^what he said

you've been giving a lot of pointers TheOwner, some of them really great but some of them is really ridiculous
aflatoxin IS a gamble. thats the way it is
if you play it safe i.e. if you wait for a shield to play aflatoxin, might as well dont even bother with it because theres no assurance that you can play it before the pressure (creatures on FG side) gets out of control
so then you might take out a single creature but wasted its potential to do the best thing it does, limiting the threats on FG side
sometimes the gamble backfired, sure, but giving +1, +2, +4 damage to the FG is better than letting them fill it with higher attack
and like i said, not getting permafrost is the real issue here so what difference does it make if i let them keep that pharaoh to spawn more scarabs or replace it with a cells that double itself each turn?

[TheOwner]

Well I don't know how your deck is built but I always have a shield before a aflatoxin and I get them both early so I don't have a major problem here but besides pharaohs (which I rarely see) name another situation where you should use aflatoxin before a shield?  If you say RoL/Hope I will yell liar because I know for a fact that it is a stupid move

[kobisjeruk]

NEVER play aflatoxin without a shield how could you not know that?

do not EVER use that tone with me again mister
i didnt ridicule you earlier about your 90% winning using this deck because i knew you're basing it on your own experience (how lucky of you) whereas everyone else is stating average winning rate that resulted from rigorous testing (100+ matches) done by many people so do not use condescending tone as if i do not know what i'm doing

Well I don't know how your deck is built but I always have a shield before a aflatoxin and I get them both early so I don't have a major problem here but besides pharaohs (which I rarely see) name another situation where you should use aflatoxin before a shield?  If you say RoL/Hope I will yell liar because I know for a fact that it is a stupid move

again, you're basing it on your own experience....but you cant expect every play to be the same as yours
you cant expect every situation turns up ideal, i.e. having shield before aflatoxin, having enough SNs to play everything by turn 2....it just doesnt work like that

If you say RoL/Hope I will yell liar because I know for a fact that it is a stupid move
that IS stupid because what False God uses RoL/Hope?
this is a discussion about CC? Why Bother vs FGs right?

[TheOwner]

NEVER play aflatoxin without a shield how could you not know that?

do not EVER use that tone with me again mister
i didnt ridicule you earlier about your 90% winning using this deck because i knew you're basing it on your own experience (how lucky of you) whereas everyone else is stating average winning rate that resulted from rigorous testing (100+ matches) done by many people so do not use condescending tone as if i do not know what i'm doing

Well I don't know how your deck is built but I always have a shield before a aflatoxin and I get them both early so I don't have a major problem here but besides pharaohs (which I rarely see) name another situation where you should use aflatoxin before a shield?  If you say RoL/Hope I will yell liar because I know for a fact that it is a stupid move

again, you're basing it on your own experience....but you cant expect every play to be the same as yours
you cant expect every situation turns up ideal, i.e. having shield before aflatoxin, having enough SNs to play everything by turn 2....it just doesnt work like that

If you say RoL/Hope I will yell liar because I know for a fact that it is a stupid move
that IS stupid because what False God uses RoL/Hope?
this is a discussion about CC? Why Bother vs FGs right?

I am very sorry if I came across rude but I still think its stupid to play Aflatoxin without a shield you can get away with maybe one or two turns before you need a shield but it still doesn't work as well as you claim I tried it and it got me killed

No need to fight I wasn't trying to be mean

[Nume]

I've just found its almost always more beneficial to play it rather than hold it. Even if it just stops one creature from being played, that creature is often 8+ attack which is a pretty good number of turns with aflatoxin up and no shield (not to mention once you get a shield the damage from those slots goes to 0, rather than 6+).

[TheOwner]

Another difference that I just realized we didn't account for: I play it on spam creatures to get it out quickly you guys probably play it on dragons and the like.  So yes aflatoxin before shield can work but I have only had bad experiences doing that.

[Nume]

Nah I generally play on at least fairly low hp creatures. The best to use it on imo are ones with low hp and a useful ability, like Physalia, or octopus, or RoL (against paradox), or fallen druid. It depends on the FG, but yeah. The faster you get aflatoxin out, the better imo, regardless of shield status . Its possible to keep many gods to only 3-4 creatures if you get it out in first couple turns, which is huge because as long as you can heal through the damage until you get a shield, you basically win .

[kobisjeruk]

Nah I generally play on at least fairly low hp creatures. The best to use it on imo are ones with low hp and a useful ability, like Physalia, or octopus, or RoL (against paradox), or fallen druid. It depends on the FG, but yeah. The faster you get aflatoxin out, the better imo, regardless of shield status . Its possible to keep many gods to only 3-4 creatures if you get it out in first couple turns, which is huge because as long as you can heal through the damage until you get a shield, you basically win .

to illustrate a point :-











just imagine what some of these FGs can do if i wait around for my shield to show up before playing alfatoxin

[TheOwner]

They look the same as mine (ending) but its just a matter of opinion

[kobisjeruk]

you just dont get the point and frankly i dont think theres a way to get to you so i'm not gonna bother anymore
just dont go around saying people dont know what they're doing based on your way of playing the deck because this is the general consensus

[TheOwner]

That is what I've been saying its a matter of personal opinion waiting until the shield is better for me but not for you