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Can someone help test against some FG for me https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48035.msg1054499#msg1054499
« on: March 27, 2013, 01:38:04 am »
I've only had the same 20 FG after nearly 100 tests, in the trainer and I can't build the deck yet on my own cards:  Can some people help test it, it looks very promising:

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Re: Can someone help test against some FG for me https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48035.msg1054500#msg1054500
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 01:41:33 am »
I'll try it a few times and see what happens.

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Re: Can someone help test against some FG for me https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48035.msg1054513#msg1054513
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 02:47:03 am »
Well, after playing the deck a few times, here are the results I had.  It's not obviously a complete test by any means, but it did let me get a feel for the deck so that I can comment on it.

Chaos lord: 1 loss (he got an early destroy mutant dragon and roflstomped me; should be an easy win normally)
Decay: 1 loss (he stole my shard of patience and his pests went to town; probably a good matchup as long as this doesn't happen, and i think he just has 2 steals)
Fire Queen: 1 loss (OE and lances killed enough of my balls that I was outrushed)
Hermes: 1 loss (he got the worst hand I have ever seen hermes get and I still lost... he got no creatures in his first ~15-20 cards, but I also had no towers to start.  I thought I had him just in the nick of time, but then when I got the ball/SoP/fractal combo finally he firestormed everything)
Incarnate: 1 win (easy; no real threat from him)
Morte: 1 loss (bone wall hosed me)
Osiris: 1 loss (sofo kept my dials/sops down)
Paradox: 1 win (won by 1 turn outrushing him)
Scorpio: 2 losses (squids keep the balls at bay and poison gets past all the dials; will be a hard matchup)

First of all, I absolutely *love* the deck concept.  I've always loved the idea of powerdrawing through a deck to find the stuff you need at a rate that your opponent cannot keep up with.  Unfortunately, the pieces of the combo often seemed to elude me, and I was nearly always missing something for even just a turn or two, but long enough that I got screwed.  Either I'd be missing that 2nd nova to cast SoP, or I'd be missing fractal, or something.

While my 10 games is hardly a fair test, I suspect that your win rate was lucky.  I think the deck definitely has potential, and it can definitely beat some FGs, but I don't think it's going to be the next farming deck unless it was I who had a bad run of luck.

The dissipation field seems an odd choice.  It can sometimes buy a turn (and it in fact saved my ass in the paradox win; I'd have lost otherwise) but most of the time it would have been suicide to play it when I had it in hand.  I think you'd be better off either swapping it for another aether tower or else removing it entirely to shrink the deck and increase the odds of getting other cards instead.

Shields also seemed to be a big problem.  Bone wall was killer against morte, and scorpio's permafrost was pretty nasty as well, and chaos lord's dissipation field stopped me cold.  Shard of Freedom might help there, but the problem is that you'd have to include a lot of them, and that further dilutes the rest of the combo.  Maybe a single steal to take care of a pesky shield to help an OTK?  It would in theory work against any non-bonewall shield, and is a reasonably useful card in any event; you can take your opponent's weapon or that hourglass to help draw even more, or whatever.

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Re: Can someone help test against some FG for me https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48035.msg1054524#msg1054524
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 03:04:00 am »
Looks like the discussion of this deck is split into two threads. Ah well, I can handle it. ::)
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Re: Can someone help test against some FG for me https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48035.msg1054551#msg1054551
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 03:37:58 am »
I thought of both steal and defrag types as viable, wouldn't help bone wall though, perma/shroud/dim shield could be a problem.  I do know this, once I went to 38 cards, the combos were a lot rarer, 36/37 seemed its sweet spot.  So so the shield or one of the balls will need to go to make it fit.

As far as your results.
Morte is an auto skip no surprise there

Decay, you play a bit smart, you need the full combo single turn so you get a full 56 capable damage, no early SoP without at least the combo or a couple balls, you need the combo out early, part of the trick, is the AI will target your balls and not it's pests with it's fractals preventing decay from ever taking a good hold.

Chaos lord is chance as I said in mine. he can rolfstomp the deck, or get bad combos, and you can stomp him.
I had not fought Hermes, Osiris, (Or Neptune) but knowing those decks, I expect those to become auto quits, thanks for those tests, it helps confirm that the win rate should be lower, probably around 40% instead of 50%.  I got to finally play Gemini in the trainer, I won 1 of 3, one OTK and praying for Phase Shield to die.  If I had a steal instead, it would have been easy.

So 4 of the 10 you played were auto skips, and although the 2 losses against scorpio surprised me, perhaps I just out rushed it.

I'll add, this is not a beginners deck, one needs to think at all times how to maximize it's potential, as you said, a lot you felt was one card off or a few points away from winning.  Did you completely empty your hand before a fractal?  Did you know you were planning on an OTK or a Rush as when you start playing dials varies.  Did you watch the opponents cards, did you do things in a good order in other words.  Since you liked playing the deck and got a good feel for it now, give it another round and see if that win rate goes up.
 

 

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