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Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426330#msg426330
« on: November 16, 2011, 08:47:39 pm »
Hello!

My girlfriend and I have started playing Elements again after quite some Elements-free time. I'm progressing slowly, as I don't want to just copy a God Killer deck this time and get rich.

It confused me already years ago and it still confuses me today: What is the idea behind the Spark & Parallel Universe decks used by the AI? I never lost to such a deck and it appears to me to be a ridiculously expensive way to deal damage. Even with best luck, it only deals 6*3*2 = 36 points of damage at a cost of 42 mana points.

So what's the point? Is there something I don't understand/see?

Thank you very much,

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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426337#msg426337
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 09:01:13 pm »
Hello!

My girlfriend and I have started playing Elements again after quite some Elements-free time. I'm progressing slowly, as I don't want to just copy a God Killer deck this time and get rich.

It confused me already years ago and it still confuses me today: What is the idea behind the Spark & Parallel Universe decks used by the AI? I never lost to such a deck and it appears to me to be a ridiculously expensive way to deal damage. Even with best luck, it only deals 6*3*2 = 36 points of damage at a cost of 42 mana points.

So what's the point? Is there something I don't understand/see?

Thank you very much,

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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426343#msg426343
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 09:20:56 pm »
The ai is stupid, enough said.
I know that (I've beaten nearly fully upgraded FakeGod Killer decks in PvP when my opponent disconnected), but I always thought that the AI decks are build in a sensible way and the AI is adjusted to the specific deck, which might be simply wrong.

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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426345#msg426345
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 09:24:32 pm »
Which AI level were you facing that did this?
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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426348#msg426348
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 09:24:59 pm »
Actually the deck you are talking about doesn't exit or is an AI1/Ai2/AI4. All those Ai owns deck which are just random. So yes they may have rather bad combo like this one.
Don't search more there is no way TU (or PU) is good with spark or ball lightning.
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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426402#msg426402
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 12:57:40 am »
Perhaps the PU were originally meant for the opponent's creatures.
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Actually the deck you are talking about doesn't exit or is an AI1/Ai2/AI4. All those Ai owns deck which are just random. So yes they may have rather bad combo like this one. Isn't the deck he's talking about an AI3 deck?
Don't search more there is no way TU (or PU) is good with spark or ball lightning. Try a Chaos Power - Ball Lightning - PU Rush. Really fun :)
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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426434#msg426434
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 02:01:56 am »
If you increase a spark's defense score, it will not die at the end of the turn. This makes buffing creatures with zero defense very useful, as, for example, casting miracle on an ordinary creature will let you deal 3 more damage per turn, but casting it on a spark will let you deal 6 more damage a turn, because the creature can't use its base attack if it dies. Consequently, creatures with 0 defense are a high priority target for the AI. It seems that Parallel Universe does not have a special exception for this rule, so AI will use it poorly. As others said, there are no AI decks that have the both cards in them, but some levels of AI use randomly created decks which be well suited for AI use and the Arena uses player created decks controlled by the AI, and not all players may be aware that the AI uses that combination of cards poorly.

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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426442#msg426442
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 02:19:44 am »
If you increase a spark's defense score, it will not die at the end of the turn. This makes buffing creatures with zero defense very useful, as, for example, casting miracle on an ordinary creature will let you deal 3 more damage per turn, but casting it on a spark will let you deal 6 more damage a turn, because the creature can't use its base attack if it dies. Consequently, creatures with 0 defense are a high priority target for the AI. It seems that Parallel Universe does not have a special exception for this rule, so AI will use it poorly. As others said, there are no AI decks that have the both cards in them, but some levels of AI use randomly created decks which be well suited for AI use and the Arena uses player created decks controlled by the AI, and not all players may be aware that the AI uses that combination of cards poorly.
I think you mean blessing, but yeah. Casting momentum on a spark can be useful as you'll have a 4|1 creature that goes through shields and only costs 2 :gravity. The AI3 of gravity has sparks and momentums in its deck.

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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg426590#msg426590
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 08:07:36 am »
Yeah as you told only gravy AI use spark and only aether AI use PU so I will say that again : there is no AI3 with PU and spark.

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Re: Spark & Parallel Universe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33800.msg427302#msg427302
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2011, 04:50:29 pm »
the whole idea still seems kinda silly.... i mean i get blessing or momentum on a spark, but meh.

 

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