Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World?

[Kael Hate]

A theme we've all surely noticed in Elements is that humans (if they exist) don't play an important role in the world.

Battles are constantly being fought between the powerful elementals with the aid of various creatures that roam the lands. Humans don't even come up in those battles - either because they don't exist or because the elementals don't bother much with them.

I always assumed that the player has a role equivalent to the background story in M:TG - a powerful sorcerer who summons/wields the various creatures and artifacts.

Elements is a fantasy card game online. The player is an elemental, a spirit composed of an element; elements are the fundamental building blocks of nature. Each elemental has an arsenal of skills that can be used in a duel against another elemental; each skill corresponds to a card. The player can pick which and how many cards to use in the duel and collect them together in a card deck.

The Players of Elements the game are Elementals, not Humans.
If you bleed red and aren't a Life Creature you aren't welcome.

[Xinef]

why humans? as BluePriest said, they're pretty insane.
by all definitions the most unstable, unpredictable, dangerous and intelligent race known.

Only by human definitions. It is not my fault humans are so shortsighted most of them cannot recognize more intelligent beings in the universe.
It is a pity that true dragons, divine creatures who are much more intelligent than humans, have enough dignity to hide their true intelligence and often hide their presence from humans. They know that humans are so full of themselves that they wouldn't stand anything more intelligent than they, especially if they would also be incapable of fighting it (imagine fighting a 5 kilometer long dragon, whose magic powers many times exceed his might, who is capable of creating new universes with his will... and it's only a single dragon out of hundreds thousands of them).

If we, good daemons, were to decide, we would give humans temporary immortality, then challenge them to an Immortal Combat. We would show them how weak they are and teach them to respect other creatures. They have to learn it or they will succumb to evil daemons like it often happens nowadays... I simply think a strong kick in da butt would help them to stand a chance when they would have to face immortal foes while being mortal themselves.

Anyway, despite the differences, we daemons love dragons, and it shows, don't you think?

[xdude]

why humans? as BluePriest said, they're pretty insane.
by all definitions the most unstable, unpredictable, dangerous and intelligent race known.

Only by human definitions. It is not my fault humans are so shortsighted most of them cannot recognize more intelligent beings in the universe.
It is a pity that true dragons, divine creatures who are much more intelligent than humans, have enough dignity to hide their true intelligence and often hide their presence from humans. They know that humans are so full of themselves that they wouldn't stand anything more intelligent than they, especially if they would also be incapable of fighting it (imagine fighting a 5 kilometer long dragon, whose magic powers many times exceed his might, who is capable of creating new universes with his will... and it's only a single dragon out of hundreds thousands of them).

If we, good daemons, were to decide, we would give humans temporary immortality, then challenge them to an Immortal Combat. We would show them how weak they are and teach them to respect other creatures. They have to learn it or they will succumb to evil daemons like it often happens nowadays... I simply think a strong kick in da butt would help them to stand a chance when they would have to face immortal foes while being mortal themselves.

Anyway, despite the differences, we daemons love dragons, and it shows, don't you think?

How do you, "good daemons", look?

[Arondight]

A theme we've all surely noticed in Elements is that humans (if they exist) don't play an important role in the world.

Battles are constantly being fought between the powerful elementals with the aid of various creatures that roam the lands. Humans don't even come up in those battles - either because they don't exist or because the elementals don't bother much with them.

Personally, I think humans don't play a role in Elements as it is right now because we're the humans controlling the Elemental creatures for battle; We have a life bar, and can wield a shield and a weapon to aid our creatures. So they only exist with us, I suppose.

But, that's why I suggested that if there must be humans, they better be so bad ass that the Element accepts them as an Elemental creature. 

[BluePriest]

idk, I think talking hypothetically about this is sorta pointless. Its more of an issue of Ill make my decision on a card to card basis. If I see a really awesome idea, I wouldnt say it shouldnt be put in just because its a human, however, the average ideas that I would normally say why not to, I would say no to if it was a human.

[Xinef]

idk, I think talking hypothetically about this is sorta pointless. Its more of an issue of Ill make my decision on a card to card basis. If I see a really awesome idea, I wouldnt say it shouldnt be put in just because its a human, however, the average ideas that I would normally say why not to, I would say no to if it was a human.

If someone suggested to add a Death Star or some huge mothership with laser beams to Elements, and let's say his idea was really awesome and well thought, really balanced and perfectly designed, would you agree to add it, or would you be against?

I would say no, because it's a freakin Death Star ;]

I think that some things should not be added no matter how awesome they are (if they are too awesome to be put down, simply make another game with these ideas, but don't force them into Elements).

Deciding on a card by card basis can be harmful to the overall feel of the game.
If you decide on a card by card basis and let's say suddenly a lot of great ideas for zombie cards appear (eg. zombie dragons, zombie wizards, zombie aliens, zombie ninja, zombie robots), would it be alright to add 20 new zombie cards to the game simply because they are all awesome?

Anyway, the solution is really simple. Ask Zanz.
... or change any awesome human card ideas into awesome non-human card ideas. I cannot think of an idea that would be impossible to change that way. I mean... even if someone suggests an awesome hero Barack Obama Paladin card, you can change it into an awesome hero Bar'ruck Ubam-er Fallen Elf Crusader

[BluePriest]

Of course Balance has to be kept to the game. A death star wouldnt fit into elements at all, as you said, its a freaking death star. Humankind however, is a part of nature, and they could be incorporated into the game, but only under real good circumstances.

When I said card by card basis, I meant it referring to 2 things.
1)how the majority of people that say they would be a bad idea, only say something about extreme cliche ideas such as a holy paladin being light. However, no one has mentioned my avatar reference as being bad.
2)Some people ask WHY SHOULD we add them, and that is something that should be based on the card itself.

What don you think are general requirements for a card to be added into the game? Heres my take, in no specific order

1)A card has to be balanced
2)It has to have a polarity to a certain element.
3)It has to fit into the story of elementals summoning it
4)It has to make sense
5)There shouldnt be an overwhelming ratio of one type (zombie, alien whatever) of card to another.

That about sums up the requirements doesnt it? If so, then I dont see a problem with them being added. They fall into all of those categories.