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Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74417#msg74417
« on: May 25, 2010, 08:44:13 am »
Simple Question: In the Fantastic world of Elements the Game should Humans be banned from existing?


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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74421#msg74421
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 08:48:13 am »
yep, it would ruin the game.... not that hard to make the ears a little bit pointy and call it an elf....

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74428#msg74428
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 08:59:27 am »
I would always assign humans as the ever-appearing, always adapting race.
a human being could choose any kind of environment and learn to live with it;
as barbarians do on mountains, nomads do in deserts, hunters and druids do in forests, etc.
as it is in real life and by logic, humans are the most adaptable living form along with roaches, bacteria and such.

I don't see what could ruin the flavor in Elements of this.
it could actually yield a nice human set of cards for every color.

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74438#msg74438
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 09:07:33 am »
I think adding humans would be a big mistake. There are Mages, Clerics, Fighters, Bards and Elves in every single fantasy game out there. Why on earth should Elements follow the same path?

It's all about marketing. It's always better to be unique then to copy other games. Lack of D&D characters is what differentiates Elements from most fantasy games and it should be kept that way.

We need unique creatures like Otyugh, not lame Holy Paladins.

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74441#msg74441
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 09:11:01 am »
But Otyugh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otyugh) is stolen directly from D&D... bad example lol.

I think a set of humans for each element would be cool.

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74442#msg74442
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 09:12:58 am »
I don't see what could ruin the flavor in Elements of this.
it could actually yield a nice human set of cards for every color.
I think your view is tainted Already, Elements aren't Colours.

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74444#msg74444
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 09:17:18 am »
If someking of humans were added, I'd like if it was something like our extinct cousins, the neanterthal.




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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74447#msg74447
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 09:23:22 am »
I think a set of humans for each element would be cool.
But that's the problem - humans are not elements. They'd simply be representations of  :life, not  :fire (unless you imagine one aflame), not  :air (they can't fly), not  :aether (they're still tanglible), etc. If anything, we can have Elemental-looking humanoids, but not humans. They'd have no space to fit in this world of all the crazy creatures, elements, and elementals that are roaming about.

So no to humans. This is my first card game I've really enjoyed (I tried Yu-gi-oh, pokemon, MtG, and a couple of others, but this one seems to be the only one that sticks - I blame in on the elemental theme ;)).

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74455#msg74455
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 09:59:58 am »
But Otyugh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otyugh) is stolen directly from D&D... bad example lol.

I think a set of humans for each element would be cool.
By "unique" in that nobody knows about them. I'm willing to bet 99% of Elements players have no idea where Otyugh came from, but 100% know about Mages, Rogues and Paladins.

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74457#msg74457
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 10:03:09 am »
I think your view is tainted Already, Elements aren't Colours.
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But that's the problem - humans are not elements.
humans are tool-wielders, not tools themselves.
they would be users (abusers as well) of Elemental sources, as they themselves ARE all the elements combined, in a manner of speaking. 

I think adding humans would be a big mistake. There are Mages, Clerics, Fighters, Bards and Elves in every single fantasy game out there. Why on earth should Elements follow the same path?
nobody suggests we make the dullest possible combination between Elements and human.
like the card Immortal. it is as human as it gets, really, as what elemental creature
wears a cloak, heavy plate armor and has two bright eyes? I think I even see a sword on his back.
in a loose, creative way, we could say it was a human that has achieved a high-enough level of Aether mastery
that he himself was emerged.
this is very loose, but I do feel it should be like it. :D
many creative classes and definitions can be like this. Mummy, Pharaoh, Fallen Elf, Skeletons, Graviton Mercs and firemasters... ain't we already emerged in humans?
 

Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74461#msg74461
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 10:17:25 am »
I don't have a problem with humans in element but it should be only a few cards. The reason is that I can see humans, elves, orcs or other races living in the world of elements, but they are playing a insignificant role in the war between the elements.
The only ones who can fight in this war are a few very strong individuals or people who abdicate her humanity(or orcity) to gain a little bit of elemental power.
I think the problem isn't the incompatibility of elements and intelligent races but the fear that we would suddenly have over 700 different human creatures but only 87 non-human creatures.
In short form: Yes, we can have humans in elements but only in a very small number comparison to other creatures.

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Re: Are Humans against the Spirit of the Elements World? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6915.msg74462#msg74462
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 10:21:56 am »
humans are tool-wielders, not tools themselves.
they would be users (abusers as well) of Elemental sources, as they themselves ARE all the elements combined, in a manner of speaking. 

nobody suggests we make the dullest possible combination between Elements and human.
like the card Immortal. it is as human as it gets, really, as what elemental creature
wears a cloak, heavy plate armor and has two bright eyes? I think I even see a sword on his back.
in a loose, creative way, we could say it was a human that has achieved a high-enough level of Aether mastery
that he himself was emerged.
this is very loose, but I do feel it should be like it. :D
many creative classes and definitions can be like this. Mummy, Destroyer, Fallen Elf, Skeletons, Graviton Mercs... ain't we already emerged in humans?
But that's the thing: Mummies, Destroyers, Fallen Elves, Skeletons, Graviton Mercenaries, etc. - They're all humanoid, which is somewhat acceptable in the game. Just having a plain human in a suit of armor (see the Crusader argument) is going against that ideal, because humans just can't measure up to the power of the Elemental beings.

As for your first paragraph, I partially agree with that: humans are a combination of elements, but not necessarily all of them. The fact that they wouldn't be 'tools' themselves is slightly confusing - the Elemental beings within the game are spirits/souls infused with the power of their element (mark), and can use that energy source of that element to fuel other beings (spells and creature cards) to do their bidding.

...besides, if humans were a combination of all the elements, then they'd be most likely placed in 'Other', and discounted as an element to begin with alongside Rainbow.  :-X

 

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