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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg231457#msg231457
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2010, 02:55:11 pm »
hmm

i suppose it just feels that certain cards like jade shield and pulverizer werent required before (for my deck) and now they are.  added another rain of fire, 2 pulvy to try and add the tools to win, but feeling like im begging for more weak draws (especially with upped sundials, which are AWESOME if you dont get a handful of them and nothing else early).  just not sure how to add the new cards into the deck without making it bulky and ugly.  what exactly would a cat + graveyard rainbow look like?  i dont see ANY of the new cards in your two decks you linked :(
personally using a version of Can Haz Moar Drawz thats highly successful, but no precogs.  mindgate is interesting, but way more useful in pvp than FGs based on testing.  fractal decks that dodge half the FGs are of no interest to me.

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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg231495#msg231495
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2010, 04:26:15 pm »
the current FG decks still works wonders, believe or not...

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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg231496#msg231496
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2010, 04:26:59 pm »
they aren't that bad, just go find a good deck somewhere for grinding fgs
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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg231621#msg231621
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2010, 08:02:56 pm »
let me be clear.  my FG farming deck is better than yours, wins more, and i play it better than you.  tons of EMs, card wins, and  :electrum :electrum :electrum
-edit- ugh, just trying to go so far over the top people dont want to talk about it.  not trying to pick a fight, it sounded funny to me at the time  :-[
guess i got a bit annoyed at the suggestion that i must some horrible player to admit its tougher, and that im supposed to love the new cards even if they lack the kick-ass-ness of previous cards.  permafrost is kickass.  lava destroyer is kickass.  oty is kickass.  crusader is not kickass.  soul harvest is not kickass.

thats not the point.

generally asking if people still grind FGs as a deckmaking challenge, making decks that win against ALL FGs with the best win/EM ratios possible.  also asking why none of the new cards are good enough to use in these decks (are they poorly designed, or do we not realize how useful they are)


the key here is decks that win against ALL FGs with the best win/EM ratios possible

everyone understands when someone puts together a RoL/hope because it requires few upgrades and wins consistently against a limited amount of FGs.  who would consider that deck the pinnacle of deckmaking vs FGs though?
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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg231626#msg231626
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2010, 08:07:09 pm »
the key here is decks that win against ALL FGs with the best win/EM ratios possible
Do u have that sort of deck? can u share it?

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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg231682#msg231682
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2010, 09:20:58 pm »
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also asking why none of the new cards are good enough to use in these *FG grinding* decks (are they poorly designed, or do we not realize how useful they are)
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At least Soul Catcher, Crusader, Silence, Sky Blitz, and Catapult (=5/7) are strong enough for being staple cards in FG or HB grinding decks. Problem is not on those cards if you can't see what potential they have.

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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg236979#msg236979
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2010, 12:03:30 pm »
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At least Soul Catcher, Crusader, Silence, Sky Blitz, and Catapult (=5/7) are strong enough for being staple cards in FG or HB grinding decks. Problem is not on those cards if you can't see what potential they have.
no, they are NOT strong enough.  stop simply pushing an exactly opposite comment without any explanation or effort.  the next time YOU make any observations or opinions as a player, ill simply show up and say you are wrong without adding anything?

i am NOT saying you are trolling, you may very well feel this exact way about this subject.  But it is a very common tactic of trolling to respond exactly like you are, attacking me personally instead of providing ANY proof or discussion.

lets review the new cards, and why i feel they are underpowered or worthless vs FGs

Sky Blitz - requires fractal to generate necessary numbers for superior effect compared to twin universe.  bugged for many cards.  FGs will not allow creature buildup early game.  no defensive or survival value.  maybe if it gave all your creatures flying too...but it doesnt.  once you get to a point in the game to use this, many other cards would have been more useful and probably as much damage

Cloak - card disadvantage.  worthless vs FGs

Silence - useful to negate miracle vs FG.  possibly worth using one in mono aether or fractal decks that cannot burst enough in one turn.  card disadvantage for any other purpose

Soul Catcher - inferior to pillar early. death quantum has two uses, fractal or dissipation field upped.  super specific effect, requires yugi-oh like card drawing to abuse it.  was anyone playing death and hurting for quantum before that had lots of creatures dying and towers in play?

Schrodingers Cat - good test if a player wants to win, or wants to build an overly complicated combo that can be disrupted by any more efficient strategy. 

Trebuchet - improves the FG decks, not ours.  worthless early, overkill later

Crusader - no growth/steam, incompatible with own color weapon, low health until crusade ability.  requires weapon to target.  why not use any of the better older cards instead?  feels like quint is assumed, but super hard to include crusader AND good weapon AND quint.  whole lot of effort and cards and quantum for a decent, but not game winning combo.  overkill written all over it, remove to improve any deck
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Re: Anyone still challenging the FGs? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18123.msg236987#msg236987
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2010, 12:22:39 pm »
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At least Soul Catcher, Crusader, Silence, Sky Blitz, and Catapult (=5/7) are strong enough for being staple cards in FG or HB grinding decks. Problem is not on those cards if you can't see what potential they have.
no, they are NOT strong enough.  stop simply pushing an exactly opposite comment without any explanation or effort.  the next time YOU make any observations or opinions as a player, ill simply show up and say you are wrong without adding anything?

i am NOT saying you are trolling, you may very well feel this exact way about this subject.  But it is a very common tactic of trolling to respond exactly like you are, attacking me personally instead of providing ANY proof or discussion.
DoSA - FG grinder based on Soul Catcher (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17967.0.html)
Light Brigade - FG grinder based on Crusader (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18285.0.html)
Not yet strong enough for FG grinding. In this form winning around half Half-Blood games.
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Catapult ?

 

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