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Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90718#msg90718
« on: June 13, 2010, 10:59:36 pm »
One of the strategies in elements involves a fire/aether combo. Where the player sends out a minor phoenix, which is unlikley to be killed. They then use cremation followed by fractual to spam a couple of dozen more minor phoenixes, which wipes out almost any opponent. Because of cremation, it's not possible to prevent the player gaining the mana needed, whilst shields won't work due to explosion

It's pretty clear there's no skill whatsoever with this strategy. It is purely dependent on whether the player has a minor phoenix, cremations and a fractual, pretty early on. Chances are, they will.

But this is all luck. A knowledgeable opponent will know exactly how they will play, but there's nothing they can do to stop it. All that knowledgeable opponent can do is hope the phoenix spammer has a poor run of cards. So there's no skill influencing the outcome.

Elements is, generally, a pretty skill based game. But this strategy is purely based on luck, and it doesn't exactly make for interesting battles either. So this is a bad thing in elements.

Something should be done to ban this strategy, and ensure elements most skilful players are the ones who flourish.

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90727#msg90727
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2010, 11:09:44 pm »
Just because you cannot find a counter doesn't mean the strategy is rigged. Instead of always complaining why don't you try going on the chat?

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90732#msg90732
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2010, 11:12:46 pm »
1. Reverse Time
2. Quanta Denial (i.e. Pests)
3. Discord
4. Black Holes
5. Antimatter ... wait, no this doesnt work... :P

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90736#msg90736
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 11:14:22 pm »
Aim for the aether towers! Also a well placed bone wall makes them think twice about cremation... they will still probably do it but at least you get a wall to bid yourself more time to dish out damage.

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90742#msg90742
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2010, 11:22:45 pm »
You can bonewall, vulture, thunderstorm, they reborn, repeat.

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90743#msg90743
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2010, 11:23:58 pm »
My personal favorite PvP Deck.  Hope i run into you in PvP2.

EDIT: also, a Diamond Shield or Hope shuts the entire deck down, and permafrost slows it to a crawl giving you plenty of time.

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90744#msg90744
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2010, 11:24:56 pm »
Aim for the aether towers! Also a well placed bone wall makes them think twice about cremation... they will still probably do it but at least you get a wall to bid yourself more time to dish out damage.
lol, there's no need to use aether towers with this strategy. A mark of aether and cremations do the job! :)

Edit; bones aren't going to stop about 20 phoenixs for long! :P

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90747#msg90747
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2010, 11:26:24 pm »
Aim for the aether towers! Also a well placed bone wall makes them think twice about cremation... they will still probably do it but at least you get a wall to bid yourself more time to dish out damage.
lol, there's no need to use aether towers with this strategy. A mark of aether and cremations do the job! :)
Then you need fire towers, which makes it slower. Plus thats a long wait for 1 fractal.

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90750#msg90750
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2010, 11:29:16 pm »
Then you need fire towers, which makes it slower. Plus thats a long wait for 1 fractal.
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Yes, it takes a few turns to get a fractual, but a few cremations get you there quicker.

That just proves my point; it's all about luck, if  the primary factor is how quickly the cremations come.

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90753#msg90753
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2010, 11:30:40 pm »
I'd say Aether towers+Firemark+Phoenix Cremation is alot faster, and you can add in Phase shields

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90754#msg90754
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2010, 11:30:52 pm »
gonna ignore what i said surf?

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Re: Another thing about elements i don't like. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8048.msg90759#msg90759
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 11:35:12 pm »
Aim for the aether towers! Also a well placed bone wall makes them think twice about cremation... they will still probably do it but at least you get a wall to bid yourself more time to dish out damage.
lol, there's no need to use aether towers with this strategy. A mark of aether and cremations do the job! :)

Edit; bones aren't going to stop about 20 phoenixs for long! :P
how bout Vulture+Condor+ thunderstorm? ;)

 

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