Another thing about elements i don't like.

[MrSexington]

One of the strategies in elements involves a fire/aether combo. Where the player sends out a minor phoenix, which is unlikley to be killed. They then use cremation followed by fractual to spam a couple of dozen more minor phoenixes, which wipes out almost any opponent. Because of cremation, it's not possible to prevent the player gaining the mana needed, whilst shields won't work due to explosion

It's pretty clear there's no skill whatsoever with this strategy. It is purely dependent on whether the player has a minor phoenix, cremations and a fractual, pretty early on. Chances are, they will.

But this is all luck. A knowledgeable opponent will know exactly how they will play, but there's nothing they can do to stop it. All that knowledgeable opponent can do is hope the phoenix spammer has a poor run of cards. So there's no skill influencing the outcome.

Elements is, generally, a pretty skill based game. But this strategy is purely based on luck, and it doesn't exactly make for interesting battles either. So this is a bad thing in elements.

Something should be done to ban this strategy, and ensure elements most skilful players are the ones who flourish.

The Invincible Anti-matter Deck is the answer, obviously.

 

[finkel]

I tried this deck with plenty of RoF and deflags, and it could take on many decks that otherwise were difficult. The lightning+bonewall strategy works really well, but not as well when I only rebirth half the phoenixes, so you either let the bonewall crumble or only build your wall enough to block one full turn of damage.

As has been said, this deck is completely destroyed by shields (espeically hope, which is why I took RoF's). A protected diamond shield puts quite the damper on fractal phoenixes.

[implosion]

I tried this deck with plenty of RoF and deflags, and it could take on many decks that otherwise were difficult. The lightning+bonewall strategy works really well, but not as well when I only rebirth half the phoenixes, so you either let the bonewall crumble or only build your wall enough to block one full turn of damage.

As has been said, this deck is completely destroyed by shields (espeically hope, which is why I took RoF's). A protected diamond shield puts quite the damper on fractal phoenixes.

Notice all of the strategy, skill and thinking that goes into this deck

[BluePriest]

So the TC has basically said its about lulck... isnt this a card game and heavily replies on luck because of that???

[Kamietsu]

I love people like you, surf. You remind me so much of Elentier. Complaining and whining so much yet doing nothing active about it. Posting a rant about it on the forum isn't a good idea. Instead, why not post a topic asking for some help or strategy tips. You obviously don't know too much about strategy in this card game, otherwise, you wouldn't be complaining the way you do. Several strategies, that work and work rather well, were given and yet you deny their effectiveness.

Using an aether tower-less deck for the above deck means that you have several turns until they can start using fractal. That gives you turns to set up your counter. If you can't do it in time, then it's bad luck of the draw or you need a better deck. Don't blame your inexperience and poor strategy skills on the game itself.

[WakSkylicker]

There IS a strategy, my brother proved tt to me by playing terribly wif mine.

ie he use fire lances AFTER fractalling and summoning all his pheonixes, i hv only seen him fire lance opposing creatures twice (rest targetted the opponent) and one of them was on an archangel (which he didn't kill), he cremates lobo'ed pheonixes and occasionally explodes random pillars, he even fractalled ash before

now tell me theres NO strategy involved

[BluePriest]

Use this and they dont stand a chance. btw, this proves that bonewalls and tstorms are OP

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52k 52k 52k 52l 52n 52n 52n 52r 52r 52r 52s 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh
No rares, and no upgrades, just for you.

And since you seem to like darkness, then heres one of those as well.

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us

I honestly didnt test either of these, but they look sound to me. At least against a phoenix fractal deck

[Kuroaitou]

One of the strategies in elements involves a fire/aether combo. Where the player sends out a minor phoenix, which is unlikley to be killed. They then use cremation followed by fractual to spam a couple of dozen more minor phoenixes, which wipes out almost any opponent. Because of cremation, it's not possible to prevent the player gaining the mana needed, whilst shields won't work due to explosion.

[snip]

I just want to say one thing: Eternal Phoenix hates you.

(I hate that FG too, but as others have stated previously above me, there are a few strategies to take down Pheonix fractal combos. Another hilarious way to counter this is use mutation on any phoenix that tries to pop out - it may cause serious damage, but unless it's -based, the fractal combo fails because they can't pay the quanta to play that mutated creature. Or better - with Lobotomizer, remove the ability from the Pheonix or ash itself, so that when you kill it, it can't be reborn again)

I personally hate the FG that uses this strategy (owns me so hard every time), but that's because it's a deck that's designed to rush very fast with Mark of x3. Otherwise, I'm sorry and sympathize that you're frustrated by this combo. However, I'd be upset if this type of deck was banned (or any deck, for that matter).

[Nume]

A smart rol/hope deck can beat this almost every time as well, by holding at least 1 RoL at all times and thus being able to ensure at least reducing them to 2 damage (assuming upgraded hope). I love playing eternal phoenix with mine because its the only deck I can beat him consistently with .

[Dm]

Okay, let's check;

Diamond shield - Blocks literally all damage, turning 1 damage by phoenix.

Lobo - The phoenix can't turn into ash / the ash can't rebirth.

Thunderstorm - Kills all the minor phoenixes.

RoF - Kill all the minor phoenix + another few of them kill off those ashes as well.

RoL/Fractal/Hope - Totally kills this deck. put 4-3 (depending if hope is upgraded or not) in the field and that's it. what other damage is left for the minor phoenixes to do?

Also, Dim Shield? Unless the guy packed explosions - which, I admit, is highly probable - you will be untouchable for 18 turns, more then enough for you to slowly but definitely kill off the 100 hp of the opponent.

Flooding - Totally kills any fractal deck.

as you can see, the ways to counter a deck with fractal - minor phoenixes is all of those I listed above. Also, fractal a devourer multiple times and play eclipse - I'll doubt the opponent will get the aether quantum needed.

Use this and they dont stand a chance. btw, this proves that bonewalls and tstorms are OP

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52k 52k 52k 52l 52n 52n 52n 52r 52r 52r 52s 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh
No rares, and no upgrades, just for you.

And since you seem to like darkness, then heres one of those as well.

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us

I honestly didnt test either of these, but they look sound to me. At least against a phoenix fractal deck

Thunderstorm? OP? seriously?

[MrBlonde]

Thunderstorm? OP? seriously?

It's called sarcasm.

[hklown]

Building a min size deck to maximize you chances of drawing a particular card is in a card game is not "luck" fyi, it's called "good deckbuilding".