akebono and serket

[deepdown]

Then please share with us your FG deck. In my personal opinion this topic is kida pointless until we see the deck wich fails so hard against theese FG's. It's like I start a topic of "I can't beat Divine Glory with my uber death trigger based timebow" and Rol/Hopers just start laughin at me. (Every coin has two sides.)

[jmdt]

ya, all the really hard fgs can be beaten WITH a deck that specifically counters them, but the only way to know what fg youre facing is 1)start an fg game  2)visit oracle
with #1, since there is no way to know which fg youre facing, you cannot repeatedly tell me to use so and so deck to counter akebono and serket, when i dont know if that is the next fg or not.  there is no deck that can be successful against all the fgs, but there should at least be some remote chance.  i made a deck that can beat all but 4 of the old fgs, and it has a 47% em rate, but out of 25 games against darkmatter, i won 0, against eternal phoenix, 1 game, when i started against the new ones, jezebel was a joke, but serket was just too fast, and akebono is insane, even antimatters dont help.

fg specific decks are fine when you know which one youre facing, but for the generic fg deck, serket and akebono are stupid hard, and i have tried quite a few of the fgs against their decks in the trainer.

Time based decks will beat akebono easily.  RT > overdrive.  Check out eternal chaos or I've GoTP Time.  These decks are slower, but have much higher win rates.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

um...
let's see here..
serket:
CCYB - if you get an early shield, pretty much auto-win
shakars - pretty easy...
Ive got time - could be hard, but earlier shield chain (before crazy poison) will win most of the time

akebono:
CCYB - ok, I will give you that...
shakars - like most other shakars' matchups, depends on your draw and your opponent's draw
I've got time - one of the easiest gods surely...

[omegareaper7]

Serket is actually easy with an early 2 damage reducing shield, especially seeing as jade and permafrost are two of the most commonly used shields. Almost forgot hope as well.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

I disagree a fully.

Serket get's killed by any 2 block shield you get out fast, same goes for Wings.
Akebono is hard yes, but has it's counters (Rewind, Antimatter, etc.)

But I disagree most with you saying Jezebel is Neptunishly easy, she's by far the hardest god for me. She might have a slow start, but if you can't PA those towers or stop the nymph-spree in any other way, it's over.

Basically it all depends on what deck you are using. If your deck can't handle Akebono and Serket, change your deck (if you want to do something about it). I beat both of 'em regularly (at least 50%+ with CCYB variant)

ps. alot of other gods can kill in 6 turns also (Hermes, EP, Ferox, others)

How do you beat Akebono with CCYB at 50?! I haven't won once... anyway back on topic: put your deck on deck help and the Elements community will help you

[b0uncer52]

How do you beat Akebono with CCYB at 50?! I haven't won once... anyway back on topic: put your deck on deck help and the Elements community will help you

I use this CCYB variant

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Akebono - not too hard, I win at least 50%.  Two Antimatter, two frost shield, and two lava destroyers are key.  Usually I race him and win within 4 minutes.  Also, if you can quint one of his first creatures before overdrive, you are in good shape.

Jezebel - pretty easy with two protect artifacts.  Just protect his quantum towers and eventually your pulvy and its GG.  Protecting your mindgate is also good.  Mindgate is pretty sick against the steal decks if you can protect it with PA or hourglasses.  I often deck out Jezebel after she steals some hourglasses.

Hecate - pretty tough.  I probably only win about 35-45%.  Permafrost shield isn't good because you can't afford to have your pulvy frozen.  I usually win if I can steal a dusk and my antimatters aren't buried.

Lionheart - JOKE.  So easy, just get a shield down before turn 10 and you are good.  Pulvy is great, but be careful, he can copy its ability and wreck you if you don't pay attention.  Either protect it or destroy quantum pillars first, denying gravity quanta.  Play lava destroyers right away if he doesn't have an eternity up or multiple scarabs to make the match quick.

Serket - pretty tough.  I never seem to get my shields quickly, but win if I do.  If you can get a shield before twenty poison, you should be in good shape.  Pulvy is really good, and remember you can anti matter a spider while eclipsed, then destroy the eclipse for extra healing.

[bucky1andonly]

my fg deck has a 52% win rate and a 47% EM rate, i dont need help with it.  i made this topic to point out that adding in new fgs is great and all, but when you need specific decks to beat them, or at least, have a chance to beat them, then they might be a little too hard, like darkmatter hard, which is pretty stupid.  my deck cannot beat darkmatter, has not anyway out of the 25 games i played against him, i also played all the old fgs 25 times each, and that is where i got my win and em rates, but the new ones came out and jezebel is fairly easy due to it being a nymph deck, and hecate is easy too when using anti matters.  my deck is posted already btw, the fat 220 hp fg killer under the rainbow section.

so the point of this topic in short, 2 new fgs are overly hard that do require specific cards to have a chance of winning.  and OBVIOUSLY serket would be easy if you can get a shield out, but that means actually drawing the shield, and with that logic, if i drew what i needed when ever i needed it, id think i was yugioh.  but id like to see some nerfing, even of darkmatter, because seriously, how many non rainbow decks do people use to fg farm, mono decks generally only beat a small number of fgs, so rainbows are the way to go, and darkmatter shuts down rainbows.

possibly add in an option that costs electrum to pay to know which fg is coming next, and the cost would be steep obviously because you can win cards.  if you think about it, the more FG's that are added, the higher your loss % will go up, especially if the new FG's are really hard for the average deck.


link to my deck for the lazy ones
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23703.0.html

akebono - can get 3 dragons, 2 with overdrive by 4th turn, which is insane and unless you are using a mono time deck, youre screwed,  even antimatters dont help

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lionheart, thats the fools name
easy too, sogs + antimatters (when he hasnt protected a creature), a shield when you get it and he will deck himself so fast it is funny

[b0uncer52]

3 dragons by fourth turn, two with overdrive, is tough and you will probably lose that one, but sometimes they nut-draw you. 

  but id like to see some nerfing, even of darkmatter, because seriously, how many non rainbow decks do people use to fg farm, mono decks generally only beat a small number of fgs, so rainbows are the way to go, and darkmatter shuts down rainbows./

They did nerf dark matter with sanctuary.  Try playing a couple in place of SoG.  They only heal one less and crush darkmatter and Decay if you get them out early.  Darkmatter has no PC, so if you stick one in the first couple turns, using Supernova or whatever, all you have to do is deal with a couple chargers and random crappy creatures.