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Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg126998#msg126998
« on: July 29, 2010, 05:19:12 am »
When adrenaline first came out, Zanz ruled (correctly) that certain abilities were overpowered when combined with adrenline.  These included poisonous touch and devourer.

But when fractal came out, Zanz ruled (incorrectly) that fractal devourers was perfectly balanced.

So what gives!  Why is it fractal devourers, a card which allows for 8 times the devourers, is less powerful than adrenal devourers, which only allows for four times as much stealing.  Their quanta cost to reward is almost exactly the same, and in fact I would say that an adrenal devourer deck would be equal to a fractal devourer deck if this nerf weren't in place.

Seeing as everyone's got their heart set on fractal being balanced, why can't adrenal devourers get four bites of the pie?

It's only fair...

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127004#msg127004
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 05:22:43 am »
i really dont want to imagine a deck with devourers, adrens and fractals.  not that your point is invalid, quite the opposite. 
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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127041#msg127041
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 07:02:08 am »
I am now scared of a trio deck  :o

Think fractal devourers + life mark and andrenalines

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127076#msg127076
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 08:37:06 am »
Well, Fractal costs 8 :aether upgraded, while Epinephrine costs only 3 :life. This makes the combo with Life much easier to get out, meaning you can establish yourself early. Fractal Devourers takes a while to get going. Also, Epinephrine's low casting cost would allow you to go the Supernova/Precognition route in a micro rainbow and go pure denial. It gets even more ridiculous if you have the ability to macro it up with Green Nymph and Fractal. That way you could drain even the quantum-heavy false gods. The real winner in this situation is Drain/Siphon Life.

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127362#msg127362
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 07:19:30 pm »
While all of that is true, fractal allows for a humongous amount of devourers, while adrenal devourers are much less of a threat, way easier to kill.

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127533#msg127533
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 11:17:51 pm »
Imagine 22(one for the green nymph) andrenalined devourers.....with siphon lifes in the deck....

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127662#msg127662
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 03:17:10 am »
So, adrenaline gets nerfed because FRACTAL IS OVERPOWERED?!

Stupid.

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127720#msg127720
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 04:41:30 am »
While all of that is true, fractal allows for a humongous amount of devourers, while adrenal devourers are much less of a threat, way easier to kill.

Max devourers on fractal is 23.
6 devourers with 6 adren= 36 quanta taken.


Also, fractal devourers is harder. Quanta for devourer, devourer card, 8 aether quanta, Fractal.
Adren devourer= 2 dark quanta+ 4 life quanta.

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127722#msg127722
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 04:42:52 am »
Because a creature with zero attack and adrenaline could attack infinity times in a row in one turn? idk

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127723#msg127723
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 04:45:30 am »
While all of that is true, fractal allows for a humongous amount of devourers, while adrenal devourers are much less of a threat, way easier to kill.

Max devourers on fractal is 23.
6 devourers with 6 adren= 24 quanta taken.


Also, fractal devourers is harder. Quanta for devourer, devourer card, 8 aether quanta, Fractal.
Adren devourer= 2 dark quanta+ 4 life quanta.
Right, but with fractal devourer your chances of getting a bad draw are cut in half.  And, you have to killing a devourer barely makes a dent.  With adrenal devourers, killing a single one is like killing four fractal'd devourers, and way easier to stop.

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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127846#msg127846
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 11:26:17 am »
Fractal devourers take up monster space!! I thought that was an important issue to consider...?
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Re: Adrenal devourers https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10338.msg127996#msg127996
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 05:05:44 pm »
So, adrenaline gets nerfed because FRACTAL IS OVERPOWERED?!
True story  :))

As much as I hate the effect Fractal has on other cards, Jmizzle has a point. Denial decks grow in power the earlier you can set them up. Devourers with full effect of Adrenaline would be a nightmare.

On the sidenote, I always disliked fractal devourers. Playing against such deck in PvP is clicking space until your HP reaches zero, which is not really fun.
(Before people start jumping how there are counters or how such deck is slow etc etc, I know all that, thank ya. I'm not saying the deck is too strong, just that it is probably the most boring deck to fight against if it establishes control).

 

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