A few questions from a newbie

[pillslanger]

A couple of things I have noticed and/or have questions regarding:

1) Do any glitches exist currently that cause an automatic loss?  I played two games today where I had a 30+ bone wall up and 100 HP with Eternity keeping me from decking out, and I got a loss screen.

2) This is related to the first one, is there any way to see what caused you to lose?  I wouldn't mind my losses if there were a console I could pull up and see the match logs, or even if there were a button to push to see the last round again.

3) Again, related to the last one, if there is no console available to everyone, can we have one implemented?

4) Is there any "good" way to upgrade my pillars?  I cringe at the thought of spending 1.5k electrum on each of 15 pillars, just for one deck.  I've been playing about 5-10 hours a week (not a lot I know) for the past month, and I am only just now fixing to upgrade my second card.

Thanks for reading

[Wisemage]

1.) yes this does happen, it is just a glitch nothing we can do about it.
2.) No
3.) game suggestion forums, i do like this idea but it would clog the server even more than it already is clogged.
4.) the ebst way to make money is to grind on AI3 with a speed deck (normally Shrieker rush or mono dark) and save for a rainbow, then use the rainbow deck to grind on Fake gods forever and ever, sell cards you win for 1100 each and upgrade the rainbow.  then you grind for some more forevers and then upgrade whatever deck you want.

[ScytherLoL]

Check this thread out you can go from here to Statistics that wil help somewhat.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3369.0.html

Thanks and welcome

Scyther

[PhuzzY LogiK]

A couple of things I have noticed and/or have questions regarding:

1) Do any glitches exist currently that cause an automatic loss?  I played two games today where I had a 30+ bone wall up and 100 HP with Eternity keeping me from decking out, and I got a loss screen.

2) This is related to the first one, is there any way to see what caused you to lose?  I wouldn't mind my losses if there were a console I could pull up and see the match logs, or even if there were a button to push to see the last round again.

3) Again, related to the last one, if there is no console available to everyone, can we have one implemented?

4) Is there any "good" way to upgrade my pillars?  I cringe at the thought of spending 1.5k electrum on each of 15 pillars, just for one deck.  I've been playing about 5-10 hours a week (not a lot I know) for the past month, and I am only just now fixing to upgrade my second card.

Thanks for reading

1) I'd bet you decked out (you get no warning before it happens).  Even with Eternity out, it's easy to focus on killing your opponent and forgetting to rewind your creature.  It used to happen to me enough that now I've made a habit of playing differently when I have 5 or less cards in my deck left so I don't deck out.

Be careful because after it draws a card, it can still display "1" as cards left in your deck for a second.  It takes it a short time to adjust the count to 0.

2) Unfortunately, no.  But after enough games you start to get a feel for how things ended the way they did.

3) Can't help you here, but it would be a nice addition.

4) In short, no, there is no shortcut to upgrading cards.  But you should not be upgrading pillars first.  Post your deck in the Deck Help section and ask how to go about upgrading your specific deck.  As you upgrade cards and can consistently beat the AI with more Elemental Masteries (doubles the electrum won), upgrading will come a lot quicker.  You will notice a pretty big difference in your deck with only 5 upgraded cards, if you upgrade the right ones.

Further, a lot of people will suggest you farm FGs, but the AI has been improved, and I personally don't feel it's very effective with only a few upgrades.  I'm fairly new and I grind the AI5.  I play about as much as you and upgrade about 3 cards a week.

Good luck.

[pillslanger]

Thanks for the quick replies.  I'm almost 100% sure I didn't deck out, I have done it too many times when I was going to win and hit an hourglass when I wasn't supposed to or simply didn't recycle a skeleton.  It must just be a random glitch, which isn't terrible I've only seen it twice that I know of in roughly 500 games played.

As far as my last question goes, I actually use an unupgraded Rainbow deck and grind on AI5, using Scaredgirl's deck with an Anubis, 3 more pillars and another quintessence I find I've been winning maybe 70% of the time and getting elemental masteries about half of the time when I do win, I even tend to play my sundials against myself in order to get more healing from my Bond to try and get elemental mastery.  I might switch back to my speed deck for a change of pace, I just detest grinding when its so mind-numbing and yet I played WoW for a year and FFXI for 4 years lol.

[PhuzzY LogiK]

I've been playing about 5-10 hours a week (not a lot I know) for the past month, and I am only just now fixing to upgrade my second card.

It must just be a random glitch, which isn't terrible I've only seen it twice that I know of in roughly 500 games played.

Something doesn't sound right.  You win a lot and get mostly EMs against the AI5 (80 electrum per game),  but you're only upgrading your second card?  Do you spend electrum switching out decks a lot?

I don't see where your money is going.  I've only played ~400 games and I've got 12 upgraded cards, and I'd say I didn't even know what I was doing for at least 100 of those games.  Not trying to sound mean here, I'm just curious.  You should be able to progress much faster.

[pillslanger]

Didn't take your comment to be mean at all phuzzy.

About 50 of those first games were on my first account which I do not use anymore.

Another 50 or so on my next 2 accounts.

Remaining 400-ish on my last account. 70% may have been a bit much for win percentage, maybe more like 50% win percentage and half of those wins are EM.  So an EM every fourth match on average means around 80 electrum plus another 40 from a plain win.  That's 120 in and 80 spent to get into four games.  The deck I use also tends to run long so I tend to take maybe 5 minutes for one game.  That's only 12 games in an hour, so 420 electrum earned in an hour, but 240 spent getting into those games.  At earning roughly 180 electrum per hour, it would take me around 8 hours for one upgraded card.

This of course doesn't count lucky spins, but I have only had a couple of really lucky spins where I got a weapon, and I'm not sure I want to sell them and Oracle spins of which I've only ever gotten 1 good card which was a grey nymph.  Supposing I get a lucky spin per hour I guess I make 200 electrum in an hour so actually 7 hours for an upgrade.

Now that I've spelled it out in hours though, I see you were talking about games played lol.  I spent roughly 30 games desperately trying to beat FG's of which I only ever won 2.  Otherwise I spent way too long on AI3, and only just started grinding AI5 in my last 100 or so matches.

[Delreich]

You only have to pay if you lose, so if you win with EM on lvl5 you are +80, not just +60. That means you're actually gaining 300 electrum per hour, not counting cards won.
However, a speedy deck can get you 500 electrum per hour easily for lvl3, not counting cards won. You can't get upgraded cards from lvl3, but with 50+ wins you'll get a lot more cards than you would from 6 wins, and the chance to get an upped card is quite low anyway.
Granted, you might find lvl5 more entertaining, so you shouldn't necessarily switch to lvl3 just because it's better economics, but if you're looking to shorten the grind, lvl3 is the way to go if your lvl5 deck is that slow. Or you could find a quicker lvl5 farmer, though I don't know what that would be.

Some speedy lvl3 decks, capable of up to 1200 electurm/hour if you sell cards and really focus, can be found here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1874.0.html

[pillslanger]

Very nice, looks like a good read, thanks for the info!