2v2 elements duels?

[theelkspeaks]

As part of a concept, I wondered about the idea of team elements duels, with matches such as 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 happening.  I'd like to make each team size ruleset fundamentally different from each other, as well as make each provide a distinct twist on merely building for regular (i.e. 1v1 play).  With that said, I'd like to propose the first 2v2 elements ruleset, seeking feedback and individuals to play matches and test the concept.

The base rules are as follows:
Each member of a team builds one deck.
The two decks built by a team must COMBINED contain no more than 6 of any card.  Unupped and Upped versions count as the same card.
Elements' usage is defined as follows: An element is PRESENT if any non-pillar/pend/mark card of that element exists in a deck.  An element is USED if 2 different non pillar/pend/mark cards appear in a deck. (For example, if the only earth cards in a deck are 6 antlions, Earth is present, but not used.  If one antlion and one stone dragon appear in a deck, Earth is used in that deck.)  The element Other is used whenever three or more elements are present but not used, or whenever five or more elements are present or used.
The two players on a team may not use any of the same elements in their decks, including Other.

Each player plays a best-of-3 with their set deck against each opponent.  This means 4 total best-of-3's are played.  All 4 decks should be locked before the match begins.
The 2 player team which wins more total games wins the match.  There will be between 8 and 12 total games played, with a max score for a single team being 8.

Additional bans/restrictions on deckbuilding in terms of number of ups, banned cards, shards or no shards could vary among events using this 2v2 format.   For now, the teams planning to run test-duels can agree to whatever set of such rules they prefer.

Good luck, duelists!
 


EDIT: For situations where a tie is not possible or rejected by the teams, "sudden death" mode may be used, in which each team selects one of their two previous decks to play.  Either player may play either deck for the sudden death game, such that the identity of the deck is not known when the identity of the player is known.

[UTAlan]

What happens in the case of a tie?

[theelkspeaks]

I'm ok with duels ending in a tie, but I'm also amenable to tiebreaker suggestions -it might vary from usage to usage if these ever start become part of any events.

[pikachufan2164]

It would be easier to run it as 3v3 so that ties are almost always broken. That also happens to increase the challenge of unified deck construction (the "no more than 6 copies across all three decks" rule).

[Zawadx]

What pika said; would be a fun idea for an event. Would bring a new twist to 3-man pvp

With ties, the four way counter is the problem which can't really be solved objectively. The best solution would be to have a final 1v1 bo3 or bo5 where both players may only use the two given decks.

[ddevans96]

I started an actual  2v2 on paper one day in Stats about a year ago, I'll see if I can find it again - most of my Stats stuff is ruined, though, so I doubt I will. It wouldn't have been legal under your rulset (water/air SNbow+speed poison vs mono fire/lightning splash+heal firestall), and I never finished it, but it might be of interest to this thread.

[theelkspeaks]

It would be easier to run it as 3v3 so that ties are almost always broken. That also happens to increase the challenge of unified deck construction (the "no more than 6 copies across all three decks" rule).

The base rules for team deckbuilding will likely be the same for 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4, but the play formats will be different.  Also, since the final score is in games instead of matches, it's a little harder for there to be ties.  But also, if ties work for soccer/football, chess, or various other competitions, why shouldn't they work for a format like this?

[UTAlan]

But also, if ties work for soccer/football, chess, or various other competitions, why shouldn't they work for a format like this?

Because I don't like kissing my sister.

[theelkspeaks]

But also, if ties work for soccer/football, chess, or various other competitions, why shouldn't they work for a format like this?

Because I don't like kissing my sister.

... I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say?

[UTAlan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_(draw)#American_football

Third bullet point.

[theelkspeaks]

SUGGESTION: For situations where a tie is not possible or rejected by the teams, "sudden death" mode may be used, in which each team selects one of their two previous decks to play.  Either player may play either deck for the sudden death game, such that the identity of the deck is not known when the identity of the player is known.

[UTAlan]

SUGGESTION: For situations where a tie is not possible or rejected by the teams, "sudden death" mode may be used, in which each team selects one of their two previous decks to play.  Either player may play either deck for the sudden death game, such that the identity of the deck is not known when the identity of the player is known.

Bueno.