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Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030486#msg1030486
« on: January 09, 2013, 09:38:55 pm »
So, I was playing around in trainer with a fully upped immorush, and thought to myself: how fast would this deck be able to beat lv 0? (It has 50 hp)
So I tried, and after several tries I actually managed to get a 2-turn win! So my challenge is: How fast can you beat lv 0?
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030488#msg1030488
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 09:43:37 pm »
I've gotten a 2 turn win in pvp2.  Only once though XD


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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030489#msg1030489
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 09:44:40 pm »
I've gotten a 2 turn win in pvp2.  Only once though XD
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030495#msg1030495
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 10:02:34 pm »
I've gotten a 2 turn win in pvp2.  Only once though XD
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030509#msg1030509
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 10:58:01 pm »
I've seen 3 turn pvp wins (I was on the losing end :p) and I've won in 5 turns against halfbloods/false gods, so based on that, 2 turn wins vs ai0 should be very easy with immorush and similar decks.  Turn 1 might be possible with an absolutely perfect hand.  Something like the deck that laxadarap posted but with chaos powers for the ball lightnings might be able to do it, as I've seen that kind of deck do as much as low 20s on the first turn for damage, and so if it topdecked something good on turn 2, it could kill an ai0 then.

I might have to try this when I get home tonight... :p  It would make for a pretty funny screenshot.

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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030585#msg1030585
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 02:35:17 am »
I'm way too lazy to play enough games to do it - but this deck should be capable of getting a turn 1 win.

Remember if you win with spell damage on your turn the turn counter doesn't advance - this means if you win with your opening hand you'd get a 0 turn win.

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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030592#msg1030592
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 02:50:22 am »
after 245 duels in the trainer i've come to the coclusion it is impossible to win first turn as sobe can't draw you any cards in turn one as opponent has 7 cards in hand so unless you can come up with a combo that can get to fifty damage with 8 cards the 2 nd turn win is the best your going to get but i am not saying i am an expert deck builder so have probably missed some very fast decks a 1ttw is impossible. Plus if someone manages i would love to see the deck code
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030797#msg1030797
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 07:55:33 pm »
Oops - I saved over the final game screen shot

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Remember what I said earlier - if you win with spell damage on your second turn the game reports it as having won on the first turn because the turn counter doesn't trigger until you click "Done" at the end of your turn.

It is probably possible to get a turn 0 win with the deck - but it would involve going second and the AI emptying most of its hand on its turn. I have no real interest in playing enough games to get that possibility - it only took me about 20 minutes to get this one.
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030798#msg1030798
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 07:58:48 pm »
Amazing! I didn't think a 1 turn win would be possible, but what you said about spell damage I didn't know. I hadn't thought about the voodoo+holy flash to deal damage either. But are you sure that a turn 1 win is possible, even if you get the best case scenario on all draws? I'm gonna try calculating a bit on that.
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030801#msg1030801
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 08:06:50 pm »
Just remember if your opponent almost empties their hand and you have two Shards of Bravery you get a total of 12 cards "in" your opening hand.

7+1 (for going second)+3x2(per SoBr) - playing 2 SoBr = 12

Combo = Voodoo + Basilisk Blood + 3 Holy Flash + Twin Universe = 6 cards
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030856#msg1030856
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 11:20:17 pm »
for arguments sake jen-i you didn't actually win on your first turn and you certainly can't win first turn with you deck the combo need more cards than you can get as sobe only give you one card in the first turn as your opponent has seven and sobe only allows you to draw as many cards as your opponent can.and fippe already won turn two which is what you actually won on.
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Re: Rush Challenge https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45833.msg1030857#msg1030857
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 11:26:39 pm »
If your opponent goes first and plays 6 cards - then on your first turn you do what I said in my last post you will win on your first turn. Which the game will report as a turn 0 win.
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