[Poll] Remove Shards from FG decks?

[OldTrees]

History:
Shards of Divinity used to be in FG decks. Hence the Divinity. (Just like Shard of Gratitude used to only be from donations)

Opinion:
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[Gftis]

I think shards in FG decks are just another way for people to attain them. I welcome them completely.

[Marvaddin]

1. AI3 has nymphs and so do FGs but how come you're not complaining about that? If the shards fit thematically and well inside a FG deck, then I think it should be there.

2. Akebono does need PC because the only way he can get around dim shield and sundials are his titan (and 2 unstoppables as well as chimera). My game with akebono was just using liquid/antimatter styled nymph tears deck. Akebono is still laughably easy with the liquid antimatter combo.

1. Who said that? Here you can see I never liked AI3 having nymphs. I didnt start a poll about that because I didnt think it was that important. But this you are talking is just something that support what I said: if FGs are using shards, why not give AIs of lower levels shards that we could farm? Shards are rare cards, like the weapons we can already get from AI 3. If its no more 'AI-forbidden', lets have it to our benefit, too.

Akebono itself was designed to be the first mono FG. If we were giving to him gravity cards I could be ok with that. Its not the case. And yeah, I know he has the other shield, which is also something I dislike.

2. Mate, you were already listing gravity cards we could give him instead of a shard. He has a problem about Sundials, so lets give him shards? Miracle has the same problem, so lets give him some shards as well. Oh, Miracle doesnt use gravity quanta... but a shard is made 'other' exactly to this, so if fits the theme. And if you disagree, how about Dark Matter, or Graviton, or Gemini, or Obliterator?? Hmmmm... what? We are just balancing FGs that are considered on the 'easy' side? There are other ways to balance, right?

Ah, I agree, that Akebono is easy with the liquid antimatter combo. Which makes me to remember that Eternal Phoenix can be beaten by an unupped deck made by Thunderstorm, Condor, and Bone Wall. And this doesnt make Eternal Phoenix an easy FG to deal with.

are you kiding?? nobody have doubt soF is extreamly powerfull and should be nerfed however just because god's have a unuped counter does not mean they are easy (only if you know you will play against them (wich hapens only once a day) in my opinion this shards are here just to give players some of them and will be removed in some days from today...
however SOf and many other shards like SOsa SOse SOvoid and SOdivinity should be nerfed the problem is only in there
in long run shards should not be used by false gods

You are very confident about that, mate. Im not, I have never seen cards in any AI 'to give players some of them'. All deck changes I have seen until now were permanent.

I think shards in FG decks are just another way for people to attain them. I welcome them completely.

Like said, if its no more something 'player only', if we are really wantig another way to people attain them, lets add them to lower AI, too.

[furballdn]

1. AI3 has nymphs and so do FGs but how come you're not complaining about that? If the shards fit thematically and well inside a FG deck, then I think it should be there.

2. Akebono does need PC because the only way he can get around dim shield and sundials are his titan (and 2 unstoppables as well as chimera). My game with akebono was just using liquid/antimatter styled nymph tears deck. Akebono is still laughably easy with the liquid antimatter combo.

1. Who said that? Here you can see I never liked AI3 having nymphs. I didnt start a poll about that because I didnt think it was that important. But this you are talking is just something that support what I said: if FGs are using shards, why not give AIs of lower levels shards that we could farm? Shards are rare cards, like the weapons we can already get from AI 3. If its no more 'AI-forbidden', lets have it to our benefit, too.

Akebono itself was designed to be the first mono FG. If we were giving to him gravity cards I could be ok with that. Its not the case. And yeah, I know he has the other shield, which is also something I dislike.

2. Mate, you were already listing gravity cards we could give him instead of a shard. He has a problem about Sundials, so lets give him shards? Miracle has the same problem, so lets give him some shards as well. Oh, Miracle doesnt use gravity quanta... but a shard is made 'other' exactly to this, so if fits the theme. And if you disagree, how about Dark Matter, or Graviton, or Gemini, or Obliterator?? Hmmmm... what? We are just balancing FGs that are considered on the 'easy' side? There are other ways to balance, right?

1. I'm against the lower AIs having nymphs as well. If you can make a good (in a sense bad/average deck) AI3 that incorporates shards into its theme and/or playstyle nicely, by all means! Give them shards as well!

2. In a sense SoFo is gravity. There is no mono gravity way to deal with sundials. It would not fit miracle's theme to get shards of focus since miracle is about the creation of life from to with . How do you propose we go balance akebono and/or osiris and give them ways to deal with sundials and annoying permanents?

[Marvaddin]

Good that we agree about 1. Im sure some of the actual AI3 could have some shards just inserted, like these FGs. If not, anyway, I feel its time to get new AI3 What I really dislike is these new cards just being used like a punishment to the players, as if farming FGs is something easy.

About balancing FGs (2), let me see.
- I really like Akebono. I think its powerful. He surely could use more Momentum. And maybe a few chargers. One of my most sucessful decks in arena was a deck about charges and overdrive, with some quanta denial (BH). Considering players have 100 life, its some serious damage. A bit of programming about Chimera could help him, too (like, playing it when probable to win in 2-3 turns). But I dont think he really need to deal with sundials, or every strategy player can use. Its not the point about FGs (it would be easy to design a mostly impossible FG, even more with cards like Silence and Nightmare, its just not the point). Instosis is surely powerful vs him, but shouldnt we have a good strategy? Instosis has its bad match ups already, and got a nerf with SN, so if a deck can beat Akebono consistently, no problem.

- Osiris is really weaker. The main problem is that he has a very low damage input, if you have any 2 damage blocking shield. His strategy is very limited, even with a Trebuchet as bonus. To me its impossible to predict the exact effect, but if Osiris had some critters, like Charges or Ghosts, he would probably be more decent. I would even think about removing some Pharaohs. They usually make him slower, because instead of creating Scarabs (or something else, like a Ghost), he usually puts Pharaohs in play for several turns in early game. At least, is something we could test.

[furballdn]

@Oldtrees Then where did SoR come from?

@Marvaddin
Akebono and Osiris are two of the weaker FGs, with them being nearly countered by simple cards (lobo, RT, dim shield, weight shield), and I actually like the addition of SoFo to them. SoFo gives them some more control (perm and quanta), and it also fits into their themes of gravity and whatnot. You suggest changes to the FGs without using shards, but instead of seeing shards as detrimental, why not just accept them as ways to enhance the FGs and change up their strategies a bit?

[OldTrees]

@Oldtrees Then where did SoR come from?

People liked the shards. Zanz added a third. I forget if that was when he started seeding new rares in decks for people to grind.

Shards:
2 Rare Other cards -> 3 Rare Other cards -> 12 card series of Rare Other cards aligned with elements

[Newbiecake]

If Osiris and Akebobo gets Shards, I would like to see Gemini and Elidnis get Shards of Wisdom, Hecate and Graviton get Shards of Bravery (since they run off Fire Mark, which fits the theme of the card), Ferox Shards of Gratitude, Chaos Lord and Rainbow Shards of Serendipity, etc. Of course, make it so that the FGs only have a minimal amount of Shards, so that they wouldn't be easy to win and remain prized Arena rewards and an incentive for eople to donate to Zanz.

[glennfoo]

I agree false gods should not be using shards.. I agree it is thematically inappopriate. But can we still change the decision now that shards has already been used ??by false gods

[glennfoo]

I am sorry. I clicked wrongly my vote. How to change my vote?? there should be an icon somewhere right??

[yaladilae]

I don't understand this

The definition of easy and hard FG is way off the mark here.....

When I built butterfly angel i would always thought things like osiris was close to free kill, but when i built sparkling light, he is a top dodge...

So what is easy / hard depends on the FG deck itself entirely and how you run it? Some well designed deck can be played slightly differently to still do well against the "hard" ones.

Perhaps for the past year or 2, decks like intosis or SoSac Poison has caused FG deck to go downhill and it all dependant on a single minded, non-alternation strategy?

If shard of focus is OP, try working around it. Complaining is not the most ideal way to go abotu it... Best cc i found for it is petrify...

And i can't lie, i am working around some of my old decks to face SoF and the new cards that i've never seen

[Jenkar]

There's a reason why shards are banned in most PvP events.

Actually, there isn't.

I personnally dislike for the reason Kuro said.