[POLL] PvP Tournament

[Scaredgirl]

This poll doesn't really belong here but it's an important question so I posted it here..

Words used in this thread:

unupped tournament= only non-upgraded cards are allowed
upped tournament= upgraded cards are allowed (aka "anything goes")
I've been thinking about ways to improve community PvP events and competitions, and as a part of that, I made this poll about PvP tournaments.

Our community has thousands of daily visitors, yet we've had many 16vs16 tournaments with all the same names week after week. Tournaments have been almost like a private party. We need to make them bigger because right now PvP tournaments are the only way to win some real PvP rewards (mark cards), and everyone should have an equal chance participate.

Lack of marketing is clearly one main reason but I also think that "anything goes" tournaments with upgraded decks also makes it impossible for a lot of people to join. This is why I made this poll.


1. 1 unupped, 1 upped, 1 unupped, 1 upped
First choice is what we've had so far. Basically unupped and upped are 50/50. I don't know who came up with it originally but I know the community didn't vote for it. I personally think this system sucks and only widens the gap between veterans an newbies. The problem is that newbies cannot enter half the tournaments because they get destroyed by veterans and their upgraded decks. Then when newbies join the other half, veterans are there too!


2. 3 unupped, 1 upped
Second choice is what I propose. The idea is to have 3 unupped tournaments, and then one big upped tournament at the end of the month. This would give more new players chance to participate and tournaments would hopefully become bigger.


Vote and discuss.

P.s. I'm pretty sure some veteran players will vote for the first option because they see it as a way to win more cards for them. I ask that you think about what benefits the community as a whole, not your personal pile of cards. Thanks.

[jmizzle7]

Actually, the way we have it right now is a three-way rotation of upped/unupped/special. Special just means that the tournament organizer can come up with a unique restriction like 30/3 (30 cards max with no more than 3 of a single non-pillar card) and such. Pretty much all of the special tournaments have been unupped, so we have 2/3 of all tournaments with no upped cards at all. I think this is perfectly fine and shouldn't change at all. Also, as we have two tournaments a week, both of them are on this rotation, but are offset, so there is always an unupped tournament every single week. I vote for no change, but if there absolutely has to be some kind of change to the tournament rotation, then I guess I pick number two. There is much more parity with unupped tournaments, so that would be better.

[Kael Hate]

I've chosen the first option only because any cards I have I'd like to use.

If possible I would suggest a 3rd option.

Week 1 - up to 000% Upgraded
Week 2 - up to 033% Upgraded
Week 3 - up to 066% Upgraded
Week 4 - up to 100% Upgraded

Also variations excluding pro players could give the noobs a break. Pro Players being anyone who has already taken a win.

[Scaredgirl]

Actually, the way we have it right now is a three-way rotation of upped/unupped/special. Special just means that the tournament organizer can come up with a unique restriction like 30/3 (30 cards max with no more than 3 of a single non-pillar card) and such. Pretty much all of the special tournaments have been unupped, so we have 2/3 of all tournaments with no upped cards at all. I think this is perfectly fine and shouldn't change at all. Also, as we have two tournaments a week, both of them are on this rotation, but are offset, so there is always an unupped tournament every single week. I vote for no change, but if there absolutely has to be some kind of change to the tournament rotation, then I guess I pick number two. There is much more parity with unupped tournaments, so that would be better.

I don't think we need to cling on to the old system. There was never any kind of vote or discussion on what the tournament system would be like. It was just created by someone and became a tradition. Instead of grinding with the same old system until the end of time, we now have a good chance to really think this through and try to find a solution that everyone likes.

I think all tournaments should be special. There's no reason not to have some kind of small restrictions in all the tournaments. There are dozens of special rules I can think of right now that would make some interesting deckbuilding challenges.

Also one important thing to have is a tournament calendar which shows upcoming tournaments (with their possible special rules). This way players have more time to prepare.

[redpyro1]

wat are "mark" cards??

[Scaredgirl]

wat are "mark" cards??

They are special cards that some veterans and/or PvP tournament winners have.
 
It's basically a Pillar which instead of going to your Pillar pile, goes to your "mark pile". You start with x1 mark. If you play one mark card, you then have x2, etc. You could say that False Gods start the match with 3 mark cards (3x)

Mark card has the advantage of being indestructible, but also the disadvantage of not getting that extra 1 quantum Towers get when you play them.

[Essence]

I don't think that ALL tourneys need to be special -- but I agree that more should be.  Maybe 3 special, 1 normal, and the normal can alternate back and forth between unupped and upped each month.

[plastiqe]

I vote for more unupgraded tournaments.  I understand that people have put a lot of work into getting upgraded cards, but that grind doesn't appeal to me.  More unupped tournaments = more fun for me.  & it's nice this is being discussed out in the open so everyone can have a say (I have good ideas dammit xD (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2116.msg34303#msg34303)). 

A subtle change in the Elements chat, set the name of TOURNAMENTS chatroom to WEEKEND TOURNAMENTS, maybe even with a link to the PvP Tournaments (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,77.0.html) in the little blurb about the room.

Add something to the official FAQ (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1167.0.html) about the weekly pvp tournaments (and leagues).

Publicize the winners on the wiki, kinda like how there was a card of the day, there could be a little section that highlighted the winners for the week.

Getting more people involved in the tournaments would be great, but getting the right people is tricky to balance.  You don't want every noob on Kongregate signing up cause they probably wouldn't read the rules (most Kong noobs can't read).

I wouldn't ever go so far as to just put a direct link to tourneys on the main Elements page.  You want people to have to at least click their mouse a couple times before they're playing in tournaments.

[Glitch]

The way I see it, people with upped decks can participate in unupped, but not the other way around.  A system with more unupped decks just means more people can participate.

[redpyro1]

thts soo clean eventually do you think they will be available to win in the slots or are they strictly for tournament winners??

[Wisemage]

Im a little confused.  (i dont take part in the tournaments) unupped and upped are 50/50 right now.  So if a tournament is upped anything goes, and noobs get owned.  But if its unupped noobs still get owned? i dont understand this, that is just skill and nothing can change that.  So imo the first way is fine.

I will not vote till this is answered though.

[Lucifear]

My current best idea would be ;
Week 1 - 1 unupped tournament, without any special rules.
Week 2 - 1 upped tournament, with or without special rules. (TO's discretion.)
Week 3 - 1 unupped tournament, with special rules (This gives all the players time to check the calendar, and see what the rules will be.)
Week 4 - 1 tournament, with more limiting special rules (Plenty of preparation time, and this can be upped/partially upped/unupped, and weird/fun rules)

Just my opinion.