Oracle : Gemini

[umgrego2]

Assuming you go first, the chance to draw a Tears in hand is at 76%. You may drop one Tear, but it's frankly an unnecessary risk. The more you have, the more consistently will you draw them earlier. On that topic, draw chance is exactly why I don't like SoR's. Having to draw a combo reduces the consistency of a counter deck and in this case will inevitably lead to more total losses over a time span.

Your quoted chance of 76% calculates the chance of drawing it in your opening hand. Clearly, you can't use nymph's tears in your opening hand, and don't need it until 2-3 turns later, once you've generated enough water quanta.

After drawing 9 cards, your chance of drawing one of five tears is at 86%, while a deck with six tears is at 91%. If you have 10 cards before having sufficient water quanta, the percentages are 89 and 93, respectively. A difference of 4-5 percentage points.

The reason I'm looking at 9 or 10 cards drawn is that I ran the OP through 10 games and the average turns to produce 7 water quanta was 2.55.

In those 10 games, the OP (as I played it) lost 3 times, two of which were because of not having a steal to play to counteract the lobotomizer. If you compare two steals in your deck vs three steals, and a scenario where you've drawn 10 cards, the odds of drawing a steal goes from 56% to 72%. After 14 cards, those change to 72% and 86%. This is a dramatic change in the area where this deck tends to have its losses.

Wrt your comment about the SOR combo, I think your comment assumes that you have to wait for one before playing a nymph's tear, and/or before using the nymph's ability. This isn't so. You can use your nymph's ability up until you draw an SOR. Also, the Dark nymph is just as likely to have a quantum shortage. So you don't often need the SOR until later in the game, if you need it at all.

[EvaRia]

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This has got to be one of the most amusing combos in the game.

[Bhlewos]

Both Napalm and I figured it out, do we each get 0.5 rep? =P

Basically the point is to stall and draw until you can get the required cards. Wait for Gemini to have a semi-empty hand, play your 0|0 Chimera, then Nightmare it right away. It'll die but it's fine. Eventually Gemini will use his quanta to play the Chimera. Then you AM and LS it, and watch as it kills Gemini for you.

Sadly, I decked out before his Chimera could give me the win. Drew too aggressively in the early game.



You're a genius EvaRia. I'm giving you +rep.

Success! EM'd him easy. Gemini seems strangely stubborn about playing those Chimeras...I precog'd him out of curiosity and he had 7 cards, 6 of which were Chimeras (the other was Phase Shield). Took him three turns of discard or pillar draws to play that Chimera. Thankfully the Sundials saved me till then.

[Sevs]

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This has got to be one of the most amusing combos in the game.

Lol just tried it out, very amusing deck. I wonder what is more reliable though this version of LS/AM or the version in the OP

[EvaRia]

Success! EM'd him easy. Gemini seems strangely stubborn about playing those Chimeras...I precog'd him out of curiosity and he had 7 cards, 6 of which were Chimeras (the other was Phase Shield). Took him three turns of discard or pillar draws to play that Chimera. Thankfully the Sundials saved me till then.

The idea behind getting Gemini to play Chimera is to let your health drop to the point which he can finish you next turn.

The AI always uses Chimera as a sort of "Finisher" to make sure it will kill you for sure when it has enough damage out.

So when he's about to kill you, drop a Sundial, and Nightmare Chimera and Gemini will always play it. Also, you can do a trick where you refrain from AMing it to let the thing grow for a bit. It will play new creatures and play another Chimera to make it bigger.

[Higurashi]

Assuming you go first, the chance to draw a Tears in hand is at 76%. You may drop one Tear, but it's frankly an unnecessary risk. The more you have, the more consistently will you draw them earlier. On that topic, draw chance is exactly why I don't like SoR's. Having to draw a combo reduces the consistency of a counter deck and in this case will inevitably lead to more total losses over a time span.

In those 10 games, the OP (as I played it) lost 3 times, two of which were because of not having a steal to play to counteract the lobotomizer. If you compare two steals in your deck vs three steals, and a scenario where you've drawn 10 cards, the odds of drawing a steal goes from 56% to 72%. After 14 cards, those change to 72% and 86%. This is a dramatic change in the area where this deck tends to have its losses.

Yes, that's why I use 3.

Wrt your comment about the SOR combo, I think your comment assumes that you have to wait for one before playing a nymph's tear, and/or before using the nymph's ability. This isn't so. You can use your nymph's ability up until you draw an SOR. Also, the Dark nymph is just as likely to have a quantum shortage. So you don't often need the SOR until later in the game, if you need it at all.

Nope. It just means you have less of a chance to have the quanta necessary (or draw the other cards you need) since SoR takes up card space. In the end, it will always reduce reliability. Of course it's by a few percent, and that's enough, as mentioned. For fun it's a good card, but I won't use it in my reliable counters.

[SIVLEOL]

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Today I used lycanthropes and a mark of darkness instead of the abominations with this deck, winning with 90+ health at the end (due to antimatters) fairly easily (though I got a nice amount of antimatter early on).

However, afterwards, I decided that abominations are probably safer (lycanthropes can be screwed over by electrocuter), and the abominations are actually more quanta efficient, as using a mark of darkness essentially insures extra darkness quanta, whereas having a mark of entropy allows more flexibility in what is to be used first, with the only draw back being that lycanthropes kill faster if they don't get electrocuted.

I didn't go with dragons because Gemini tends to mass Parallel Universe, which is dangerous if your using dragons.

Not sure how consistent this is so far, all I can say is that it worked really well today, and in my own head its consistency seems to make logical sense.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

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Today I used lycanthropes and a mark of darkness instead of the abominations with this deck, winning with 90+ health at the end (due to antimatters) fairly easily (though I got a nice amount of antimatter early on).

However, afterwards, I decided that abominations are probably safer (lycanthropes can be screwed over by electrocuter), and the abominations are actually more quanta efficient, as using a mark of darkness essentially insures extra darkness quanta, whereas having a mark of entropy allows more flexibility in what is to be used first, with the only draw back being that lycanthropes kill faster if they don't get electrocuted.

I didn't go with dragons because Gemini tends to mass Parallel Universe, which is dangerous if your using dragons.

Not sure how consistent this is so far, all I can say is that it worked really well today, and in my own head its consistency seems to make logical sense.

Gemini has 8 Phase Shields... so odds are you'll deck out with this deck

[SIVLEOL]

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Today I used lycanthropes and a mark of darkness instead of the abominations with this deck, winning with 90+ health at the end (due to antimatters) fairly easily (though I got a nice amount of antimatter early on).

However, afterwards, I decided that abominations are probably safer (lycanthropes can be screwed over by electrocuter), and the abominations are actually more quanta efficient, as using a mark of darkness essentially insures extra darkness quanta, whereas having a mark of entropy allows more flexibility in what is to be used first, with the only draw back being that lycanthropes kill faster if they don't get electrocuted.

I didn't go with dragons because Gemini tends to mass Parallel Universe, which is dangerous if your using dragons.

Not sure how consistent this is so far, all I can say is that it worked really well today, and in my own head its consistency seems to make logical sense.

Gemini has 8 Phase Shields... so odds are you'll deck out with this deck

On the day I used this, I actually oracled a pet forest scorpion, kind of forgot to note that down because I was being urged off the computer on that day.

Anyhow, after thinking about it for a while and calculating some stuff, I think it might still work, however it may end up depending a bit on luck. Not completely sure about this, I think the only way to find out is to test it more? xD

I'll probably use it again if I oracle this false god again. If it doesn't have enough damage, it could probably use some extra cards to make a larger deck making it harder to deck out. As long as not too much is added it should still be consistent, but that'll probably need to be tested.

[macgawel]

I'm sure those SoR's are very not usefull

He will TU your purple nymphes.

So if you play SOR he can use the nymphes to break the liquid AM combo...
Or you can wait until he has TUed some other creatures. But by this time you have enough quanta - or you're dead

[umgrego2]

I'm sure those SoR's are very not usefull

He will TU your purple nymphes.

So if you play SOR he can use the nymphes to break the liquid AM combo...
Or you can wait until he has TUed some other creatures. But by this time you have enough quanta - or you're dead

Liquid shadow takes care of TU'd nymphs.

[Higurashi]

Not 8 of them at once. Luckily, AI is dumb as heck with LS; if it TU's a Black Nymph, it will most likely LS its own Black Nymphs or other creatures on its field. To the AI, it's more of a buff than CC. If it TU's a Purple Nymph since it's a high priority target due to its ability, it won't affect the outcome.