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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg30905#msg30905
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 03:31:38 am »
Awesome! I never knew that!
And this is why these things should be more prominent IMO...

One of the best things for creativity is for people to know how to best use cards. So if 60% of deckbuilders don't know this or that, they may instead just turn to a PuppyChow or SG deck or whatever is popular atm...From my days of MtG, I could never really make a tourny-ready deck, but I could easily see how to convolute cards to do your bidding (deck size and land quantity has always been my downfall). With Elements, however, the abilities of cards and how they work together don't always add up how it would seem (kinda reminds me of watching the YuGiOh show, how some card is played that does one thing, unless you have this other thing, then it does something totally different, unless THEY have this OTHER thing, then it does something...you get it, right?
anyways, back on topic:
Some easily found and logically marked section of the cards and abilities and interactions of at least the few mostly overlooked/unknown/not-obvious things should be made visible from the Elements Game Screen...not the wiki, not the forums, somewhere a person who doesn't even know this stuff exists could find it
I say all this because I myself had played for a good month before finding the forums, and it was long after that that I found the Oracle, and that was only because of a post about 'What if the Oracle gives me X FG?' Prior to this I didn't even notice the button
I don't really think these are as prominent as they should be, for me to get to the Trainer, I have to go to Forums, then click the Resources tab, which I found way after finding the Oracle.
There may be a faster way to get to this stuff, but I have not found it...and if I haven't that means others haven't either.

edit: I'm an idiot and can't remember anything...

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg30931#msg30931
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 05:35:08 am »
Here's a simple explanation:

Creatures with adrenaline get more actions, not attacks. Except for puffer fish which was too OP for 4 poison/turn, a creature gets more actions. That's why freeze ends sooner and infection happens faster too.

As to the trainer, just go here: http://www.elementsthegame.com/trainer.html

While it *should* be on the main page, it's not, but you definitely don't have to go to resources and such.

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg30934#msg30934
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 05:56:24 am »
What Puppy said. You can find my definition of the concept of an action vs. an attack in the Adrenaline thread, located here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1403.msg19152#msg19152).

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg31018#msg31018
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2010, 03:15:24 pm »
What Puppy said. You can find my definition of the concept of an action vs. an attack in the Adrenaline thread, located here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1403.msg19152#msg19152).
That was the best definition of a creature's attack/action I've read so far. Thanks for linking that.

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg31029#msg31029
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2010, 03:57:09 pm »
So, adrenaline, and an versus fireshield is bad news?

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg31042#msg31042
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2010, 04:26:57 pm »
So, adrenaline, and an versus fireshield is bad news?
Yep, same with infection.

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg31471#msg31471
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 04:14:16 pm »
Awesome! I never knew that!
And this is why these things should be more prominent IMO...

One of the best things for creativity is for people to know how to best use cards. So if 60% of deckbuilders don't know this or that, they may instead just turn to a PuppyChow or SG deck or whatever is popular atm...From my days of MtG, I could never really make a tourny-ready deck, but I could easily see how to convolute cards to do your bidding (deck size and land quantity has always been my downfall). With Elements, however, the abilities of cards and how they work together don't always add up how it would seem (kinda reminds me of watching the YuGiOh show, how some card is played that does one thing, unless you have this other thing, then it does something totally different, unless THEY have this OTHER thing, then it does something...you get it, right?
anyways, back on topic:
Some easily found and logically marked section of the cards and abilities and interactions of at least the few mostly overlooked/unknown/not-obvious things should be made visible from the Elements Game Screen...not the wiki, not the forums, somewhere a person who doesn't even know this stuff exists could find it
I say all this because I myself had played for a good month before finding the forums, and it was long after that that I found the Oracle, and that was only because of a post about 'What if the Oracle gives me X FG?' Prior to this I didn't even notice the button
I don't really think these are as prominent as they should be, for me to get to the Trainer, I have to go to Forums, then click the Resources tab, which I found way after finding the Oracle.
There may be a faster way to get to this stuff, but I have not found it...and if I haven't that means others haven't either.

edit: I'm an idiot and can't remember anything...
Yes, but the rules in the actual yu gi oh show itself kept changing, see 
(look at 2:40-3:20)
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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg31479#msg31479
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 04:36:42 pm »
My point is that the not all of the cards can have all their interactions implicitly stated on the card itself. Unfortunately, there is no place to go where all of this is listed, other than wiki-ing each card...for that you would have to know each card to look at in advance. I am only saying that there should be an in depth rules listing from the main page, one that tells more about the game to keep new players from giving up because their adrenalined rustler died in one turn from infection...when none of these cards says that this will happen. Without browsing the wiki and/or forums, there is no way to know why this happens, which would definitely make some people think the game sucks without giving it a second chance. I believe there should be some sort of list of interactions of certain cards, what certain cards really do, and a more in-depth overview of the game, and this should be accessible very easily from the main screen, just like the -very short- game description is now.
Honestly, if I didn't love MtG, L5R, and such, I would have given up on this game after about 2 days because there are many cards that just don't seem to make sense when just reading the information on the card itself.

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Re: Wording for Ray of Light, Brimstone Eater, etc. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3488.msg31511#msg31511
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 05:59:21 pm »
My point is that the not all of the cards can have all their interactions implicitly stated on the card itself. Unfortunately, there is no place to go where all of this is listed, other than wiki-ing each card...for that you would have to know each card to look at in advance. I am only saying that there should be an in depth rules listing from the main page, one that tells more about the game to keep new players from giving up because their adrenalined rustler died in one turn from infection...when none of these cards says that this will happen. Without browsing the wiki and/or forums, there is no way to know why this happens, which would definitely make some people think the game sucks without giving it a second chance. I believe there should be some sort of list of interactions of certain cards, what certain cards really do, and a more in-depth overview of the game, and this should be accessible very easily from the main screen, just like the -very short- game description is now.
Honestly, if I didn't love MtG, L5R, and such, I would have given up on this game after about 2 days because there are many cards that just don't seem to make sense when just reading the information on the card itself.
I completely agree with this. When I played YVD (YuGiOh Virtual Desktop) online, there was a very important link to an entire website dedicated to the specific ruling of every card. The card descriptions were also vague in that game, but this was solved by that site.

This does need to be addressed in the near future. I think the wiki is under heavy maintenance for now, but specific card effects/ruling should definitely be added to it ASAP.

 

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