Tower Upgrades need to cost at $1,000

[Malduk]

I have many upgraded pillars aka towers. Have a set for all but one element, and sets of pendulums for most elements, but I wouldnt mind this change at all. Nothing wrong making it a bit easier for new players to come compete in upgraded environment. This game needs a tons of grind anyway, and will still need tons of grind even if towers are made cheaper.

[stereosound]

Having a deck that can go off one turn sooner as a result of upped pillars is not a small benefit.

Though I can understand the desire to have pillars cost less when upgrading, I can also understand the impact upped pillars have on the game. All decks benefit greatly from having increased quanta. Being able to get a combo off or out rush your opponent depends on getting the quanta to do so thus pillars have a justifiable cost for upgrade.

But, if for some reason this were to go though, would I get a refund on the extra electrum I spent upgrading my 170+ pillars at 1500 a piece? (@ 500 rebated, that's 85,000 electrum refunded )

Yes but each upgrade doesn't drastically change the state of the game at all, infact id make the daring arguement i'd rather lower a cost of a card from say 5 to 6 (if its an important card) than upgrade a pillar. However, their impact in higher numbers can sometimes be more important than any other card in your deck being upgraded so its a tough call -- singularly one quantum isn't going to nearly impact the game as much as increasing someones attack/defense but their importance in higher quantities can't be denied

[Kuroaitou]

I like the idea, but only after three concerns are addressed:

1). Selling. Towers would need to cost significantly less than they are now if upgrading them costs 33% less electrum. I know there's no economy in Elements, but I would feel weird if you upgrade a Tower and sell it back for a net gain in electrum. O_o

2). Pendulum upgrades - I say that if you're going to upgrade towers for 1k electrum, pendulums should get the same treatment. After all - both of them are almost identical in function (generating quanta permanents), which would make it easier for newbies and pro's alike to get semi-upped decks involving pendulums/towers of a certain element.

3). Other costs: Seeing that there's practically no other thing to spend electrum on besides cards, upping cards, and facing opponents, I hope that if some sort of patch was implemented that lowered the cost of cards (themselves or just pillar upgrades), that veterans and newbies alike would also find something to spend their money on, as some people (*looks at jmizzle7*) might have quite a surplus of money that they wouldn't be able to use for the game...

[Smokefree]

Great Idea, 1000 or even 1200 I think would help out alot of new players.  But really they have it pretty EZ now anyways,  used to be 100 Electrum to change your mark.  But really im in favor of this slight decrease.

[EmeraldTiger]

Here is a thought, how about making upgrade cost reflect rarity?

[EvaRia]

You know, after thinking, I see no harm in reducing the amount of electrum to upgrade ANY card to 1000.

It just means that it will be slightly easier to get upgraded cards from AI3/T50 Grinding.

FG Grinding won't be affected that much, since the upped cards you win from them will sell for less anyways.

I honestly think it's silly that the only feasible way to get a fully upped deck is through grinding FGs.

[Demut]

Grinding in a game is nothing more then empty and shallow filler. So imo reducing the grind can only be beneficial.

[Antiderivative]

I kind of like the grind, but it is too much.  I think 1K towers would reduce this grind to a more tolerable level.

Pillars do take up a lot of your deck. 

I'd rather upgrade cards than pillars, but I understand how important upgraded towers are.

[EvaRia]

Why not 1k all cards though?

What's wrong with it?

In general, the main way to score up cards is by FG grinding anyways, so if the upped cards you get are sold for cheaper, FG grinding would be more or less the same as it is now anyways.

That would make playing lower level AIs to get the money to up a deck way more feasible, which I think the game needs right now. The gap from AI3 to FG is just so huge that there's little advantage in Grinding AI3 for anything other than score.

[Antiderivative]

The gap from AI3 to FG is just so huge that there's little advantage in Grinding AI3 for anything other than score.

The gap is really huge.  Even the gap between AI3 and AI5 is huge.  In fact, I think there needs to be another middle piece where the AI plays a few upped cards, but you can't win them.  However, you win more electum.   

I tried SG's rainbow recommendation for FG's.  I have only had failures.  I have tried Essence's Aether for grinding HB's and have had some success.  However, I wish to test other ideas or modify it, but it is too expensive.

I would love to tweak my successes and failures, but it is very expensive.   And towers are holding me back.

[Kuross]

IF a change in cost to upgrade towers to 1000 a pop gets implemented, I would like it so the community knows about the change ahead of time. That way I can sell all my upped towers at the 1156 then when the update hits I can rebuy them at 1000 thereby making up the difference. Cuz it would suck for those of us who took the time to upgrade at the higher cost to suddenly have it cheaper after we've gone through all the trouble.

[Malduk]

IF a change in cost to upgrade towers to 1000 a pop gets implemented, I would like it so the community knows about the change ahead of time. That way I can sell all my upped towers at the 1156 then when the update hits I can rebuy them at 1000 thereby making up the difference. Cuz it would suck for those of us who took the time to upgrade at the higher cost to suddenly have it cheaper after we've gone through all the trouble.

How would that suck? You'd still have all your towers. Collecting cards is not a competition.
Anyone who wasnt around during Sundial era could say the same, how its much harder now to grind cards than it was before.