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Kurohami

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The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50799#msg50799
« on: April 09, 2010, 04:05:43 pm »
I forgot to take a screenshot, but I probably don't need it anyways. Here's the story: I was playing a life creature spam deck against a level 5(half blood). My opponent is a half blood using water. After I got the board half the field filled with my creatures, he used flooding, and I watched in anguish as my giant frogs drowned in the relentless flood. Then, I suddenly wondered, flood killed frogs? That's not suppose to happen, frogs can swim! I've heard about frogs that could live their whole lives without much water, but I've never heard of frogs that don't know how to survive in water. If anyone know such frogs, please tell me. So, I think the effect of flooding should spare creatures that could swim, like the frogs. I know it would be odd to have this one life card stand out not being affected when all other elements except water are killed by the flood, but I just think it makes sense to have the frogs survive. The flying creatures still die because if they are dragged down by a wave they still die, but creatures with swimming capability should really stay alive. What do you guys think?

airframe

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50806#msg50806
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 04:26:43 pm »
If I'm not mistaken frogs can drown, right? Maybe getting dragged by the currents and not getting to the surface.

Reefa

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50809#msg50809
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 04:44:33 pm »
They can drown. Its more likely that flying creatures should survive, but then ... they can't fly high and quick enough.

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Wisemage

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50812#msg50812
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 04:51:26 pm »
its also a GIANT frog.  Maybe it was some freak mutant who has lived its whole life out of wter, so it cant swim.

Reefa

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50814#msg50814
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 05:01:08 pm »
And because of the size it would go down like a brick, even if it can swim.

Regards, Reefa.

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50863#msg50863
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2010, 07:30:24 pm »
Its more likely that flying creatures should survive, but then ... they can't fly high and quick enough.

Regards, Reefa.
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Kurohami

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50865#msg50865
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 07:35:24 pm »
I guess it's possible that this is a new species of frog that has "evolved" enough that they can't swim anymore. Just for the sake of it, I'll denial some of your reasoning. Size does not make a difference, something's ability to float depends on its density. A giant frog should have about the same density as a normal frog. That's why the 10000 tons oil carriers can float just fine. As for a frog losing its ability to swim because it lived a long time on land, that is not what happens because even the frogs in the deserts still needed water to reproduce since their tadpoles cannot survive on land, so all the frog kinds in existence that we have identified so far are capable of swimming.

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50890#msg50890
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 09:34:44 pm »
I understand your plight and agree that making frogs die from flood makes little sense.  But, then again, the example of flying creatures dying doesn't make sense either.  You'd have to exempt wyrms, pegasi, vultures, fireflies, etc.  And the dragons have wings too, so they'd have to survive too. 

Then it comes down to why should anyone have to die if we're going to exempt all the water creatures plus all the swimming and flying exceptions?  The reason is somebody wanted to give :water a mass effect spell, and this is how it's being played out for better or for worse.
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Kurohami

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50898#msg50898
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 10:31:58 pm »
I think it would be a good idea to make flying creatures not die either if they are not so concentrated in the element air. It would make sense for the winged dragons to not die from flood because dragons are not cost efficient and they have no abilities, the only advantage they have is durability(for most of them), which should include not dying from flood. The only problem is that that would make air lot more powerful a against water than most other elements but I don't think that's that big a problem either, not working against 1 element doesn't make flood useless nor will not working against the cute "little" frogs in the life element. Right now, flood is pretty overpowered, this would take it down a notch.

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50903#msg50903
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2010, 10:43:55 pm »
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I think it would be a good idea to make flying creatures not die
Nuh-uh. The flood reaches upwards infinitely, thus drowning even the flying creatures. The pressure of the water kills any and all non-water creatures, including frogs, simply because their bodies are not adapted for full-on swimming like fishies are.

Kurohami

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50912#msg50912
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2010, 10:56:41 pm »
Actually, a frog can live in the water for its whole life, the only reason they go on land is to prey on insects which are very abundant.
As for the pressure of water, that will only work if it somehow drags the frog to a very great depth. If the flood just raise upward infinitely the frog can always float on top.
Also, though the flood reaches upward infinitely, the sky is infinitely high, the flying creatures can just keep flying upward. I agree however, sparing all flying creature can quite dampen the usefulness of flood when fireflies are taken into consideration. So, I propose make fireflies killable since fireflies are not adequate for continuous flying, it could not keep flying long enough to stay alive.

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Re: The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg50928#msg50928
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2010, 11:39:59 pm »
You're confusing the concept. The flood doesn't continually rise; once it is activated, it already reaches all the way to infinity and does not need to rise any further than that. If a Squid were to attempt to swim all the way to the top of the flood, even if it traveled extremely quickly, it could never reach the top because it's infinite.

And your suggestions, although perhaps logical in the real world, would simply be confusing in-game.

 

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