The plea of a dying frog: "I'm not supposed to die!"

[acelink]

Assume it is a fresh water frog... The water is salt water.

[Kurohami]

From what I understand, most frogs could survive water environment with high salt concentrations, but they cannot breed successfully in that kind of environment.

[Thu]

The interesting thing here is how people think it is stranger that a frog can not survive a flood than people being able to cast lightning from their fingertips.

[Bloodshadow]

The interesting thing here is how people think it is stranger that a frog can not survive a flood than people being able to cast lightning from their fingertips.

The player is not a person. He/she is an elemental.

[Demagog]

Floods should kill everything that can't breathe underwater. Flying creatures must land at some point. If there's no place to land, their dead. Creatures that can swim also die because eventually they get too tired to swim. So, we are left with creatures that can breathe underwater and those that don't breathe at all because everything will eventually sink below the surface of the water.

Things that should live:
All water creatures, of course.
Mummy
Skeleton
Virus
Malignant Cell
Forest Spirit (many plants can grow underwater, and giving water to forest spirits causes them to grow, so if they are underwater, they will grow and grow and grow and...) And besides, it's a spirit.
Photon/Ray of Light
Fate Eggs maybe? I'm not sure if animals inside eggs can survive if they are kept below water...
Spark/Ball Lightning
All flying weapons (the weapons themselves don't breathe, and since they are flying because of a spell, they never have to land)

So all that junk should live.

[Thu]

The interesting thing here is how people think it is stranger that a frog can not survive a flood than people being able to cast lightning from their fingertips.

The player is not a person. He/she is an elemental.

I am a player. I am a person. The player plays the part of an elemental.

Useless dribble about semantics aside, the point is still valid.

[Bloodshadow]

I am a player. I am a person. The player plays the part of an elemental.

Useless dribble about semantics aside, the point is still valid.

No you're not. In the real world you're a person, but in Elements you're an elemental. Perhaps I should have said that the player controls the elemental.

If, when you're playing a game, you play the role of a giant monster, does that make you a monster in real life? I don't get your argument.

[Thu]

I am a player. I am a person. The player plays the part of an elemental.

Useless dribble about semantics aside, the point is still valid.

No you're not. In the real world you're a person, but in Elements you're an elemental. Perhaps I should have said that the player controls the elemental.

If, when you're playing a game, you play the role of a giant monster, does that make you a monster in real life? I don't get your argument.

Ok, to make this simple for you: The reason that the person that controls the elemental is called a player, is because he/she plays an elemental. The player is the human being that is playing the game. The elemental would be referred to as the player's character with some sort of gaming terminology.

I also didn't understand the "No you're not"-part. Are you saying I am not a human while playing a game? I'm pretty sure I am, even if my character isn't.

Now, to stop going off topic, I'll expand my initial statement. In a universe where beings like pegasi, phoenixes, elementals and plenty of other creatures out of this world exist, why is it important, or even relevant, if these creatures obey the same laws of nature as our own universe?

It's far-fetched to believe that a frog that you magically conjured from a card would be an ordinary frog, and it's interesting how people find the fact that said frog cannot survive a flood more unrealistic than the fact that a card can attack other players, how it can stay alive without nutrition, how a blessing would make it stronger, how a boost of adrenaline would make it three times faster etc etc.

[Bloodshadow]

You seemed to be unable to understand that since you, the player, is human, your character, the elemental, should not be able to shot lightning from its hands. If your original point is "the rules in the real world don't apply in Elements", then you were very unclear in your initial post.

[Thu]

Ah, now I see where you are coming from. My point is more that of "just because your character is an elemental, how is it physically possible for it to cast lightning from his hands?". Since people discuss physics involving frogs and water, how can they possibly accept the physics behind an elemental controlling forces of nature by sheer willpower?

[Xinef]

Floods should kill everything that can't breathe underwater. Flying creatures must land at some point. If there's no place to land, their dead. Creatures that can swim also die because eventually they get too tired to swim. So, we are left with creatures that can breathe underwater and those that don't breathe at all because everything will eventually sink below the surface of the water.

Nope, not all flying creatures must land. There are birds that can sleep while flying, and can feed without landing (eg. they catch fish or eat flying insects), they only land to breed.

Also, concerning flying creatures having to land, and swimming creatures getting tired... I guess a battle of elementals, though it lasts a few minutes from our perspective, it would probably last a few hours from 'their universe' perspective... I don't think it would last any longer than that, not days or weeks. A single turn probably lasts several minutes from their perspective, as in this time a creature can attack only once, an event like a rain of fire or an earthquake probably lasts also short (a rain of fire lasting half an hour would probably be much more devastating, so I guess it's more like a few minutes).

So a flood would be more like a tidal wave, a tsunami or something like that... an event that begins abruptly washing away anything that cannot swim or fly away, then lasts for some time drowning or washing away anything new that emerges on the battlefield... but it's still a short flood lasting a few hours (until the battle ends), so flying creatures would not get too tired in the meantime.


Also, why do you think a spark should survive the flood? (ok, you still have to buff it )... I guess an electrical discharge in water would have a much harder time trying to keep it's form due to much better conductivity of ionized water than a typical air thingy...

[Kurohami]

Concerning how swimming creatures will eventually get tired swimming and drown, that is not true because a frog can just float on top of the water with no effort. I've raised frogs before, and I raise them in a fish tank which means no land whatsoever and there were no frogs dying from drowning for the 2 years I've raised them. As for flying creatures need to eventually land, there is a kind of swallow that never land for most of its life except for before they can fly and when they are mating and breeding. Also, I don't think 1 turn in an elemental battle is that long so it wouldn't make sense that they die after 1 turn in any case. As for someone's suggestion that forest spectre shouldn't die, that wouldn't make sense since plants that can live in water are much different from plants on land, and even those that could live in water will be rooted by the flood. Fate eggs should not survive because a egg actually breaths, the fetus in the egg still needs oxygen.