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Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg226250#msg226250
« on: December 17, 2010, 01:20:48 am »
I've noticed that many of the new cards (Chimera, voodoo doll and many of its type) aren't used to often. This is because when they are added, they can't be used in rush decks. Which are the current decks used for doing anything. It's a waste for players to use stall decks on anyone but pvp and many of the cards have to be specialized or in two card combos.

Solutions I can see:
1. Make Cards better for rushing
2. Make a card that makes rushing less profitable than something else.
3. Make an Ai group that makes is more profitable to do something else. (I'm rpetty sure AI6 doesn't count)
4. Make cards that can be used in a variety of decks, or that can be used quickly.

This a forum, so post whatever you like all over here.

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg226252#msg226252
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 01:23:07 am »
Voodoo doll is actually used a lot, so I have to disagree with the first sentence.

But your points are very true, and I love seeing card ideas that fit things like those.
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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg226255#msg226255
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 01:28:15 am »
I loved those simple old decks that still work, shrieker/graboid deck etc. I think nowadays adding these new cards disrupt the quick and easy farming we once had.

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg227778#msg227778
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 12:19:11 am »
Voodoo doll is actually used a lot.
in farmers?

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg227787#msg227787
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 12:24:55 am »
Not all decks need be used for farming.  There are other decks and purposes.

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg227832#msg227832
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 01:40:13 am »
Voodoo doll is actually used a lot.
in farmers?
Yes actually. Have you not seen voodoo doll FG grinders?
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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg227846#msg227846
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 01:55:31 am »
I've noticed that many of the new cards (Chimera, voodoo doll and many of its type) aren't used to often. This is because when they are added, they can't be used in rush decks.
Rush decks are good, but not the best.
Yet, there are cards that could be played in rush decks:
Crusader
Wolf Pack

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Which are the current decks used for doing anything.
Elaborate on this please, and explain what does "anything" (i guess everything) means to you.
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It's a waste for players to use stall decks on anyone but pvp and many of the cards have to be specialized or in two card combos.
Ohhh, not really, check my post here:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17747.msg241474#msg241474 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17747.msg241474#msg241474)
A 51K  :electrum deck, which has a 50% (for now) win rate against FG.

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Solutions I can see:
1. Make Cards better for rushing
Cards are being made, and implemented, as long as their add a positive value to the game.
Cards already in the game that are being overused due to their abilitys, are nerfed, with the objective of balancing game.
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2. Make a card that makes rushing less profitable than something else.
You will have dificulties beating FG with a rush deck.
Mainly because:
1. 200 HP
2. Draw 2 cards at a time, all upgraded cards, 3x MARK
3. Not limited to 6 of a kind (they can have MAX 12 of a kind)
ie: 12x Elite Chargers, 12x Phase recluse, etc.
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3. Make an Ai group that makes is more profitable to do something else. (I'm rpetty sure AI6 doesn't count)
How come? Most FG can't be beaten (yet) by a rush deck.
Rush decks are great for PvP or T50.
Try to play a rush deck against the new silence card....

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4. Make cards that can be used in a variety of decks, or that can be used quickly.
Well, most elements have all 3 kinds of card: low cost (low ATK, low HP or low HP, good ATK with sinergy), mid cost (low HP good ability or High ATK with noa bility), high cost (dragons or heavy permanents)

Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg227861#msg227861
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 02:17:50 am »
The point about making new cards that don't rush is to give incentive for people to use other cards/strategies, and therefore use less rush decks in the actual game.
Which IMO is a very good thing.

So what you should be saying rather than 'If you want new cards to be used, make more cards that rush' is 'Why do people choose to rush when there are other options available'  :D

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg230167#msg230167
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 04:33:43 pm »
So the cards are meant to get away from farmin. Wait, what is there left?

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg230356#msg230356
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 08:45:30 pm »
So the cards are meant to get away from farmin. Wait, what is there left?
This tiny, itsy bitsy thing called PvP.
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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg230498#msg230498
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 10:55:22 pm »
So you think that rush deck are the only viable archtype?
Have you though of, dunno, stall, poison, shutdown, etc, etc, etc?
Seriously, if you are not willing to see the available options don't even bother to write a nonsense complaint.

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Re: Suggestions about new cards! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17751.msg230560#msg230560
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2010, 12:26:56 am »
So if the cards really ARE being used, why is it after the beta stage, hardly any new decks are made for them, AND the ones that are, are just subpar? People are getting caught up on the already existing stall decks, when the new cards dont have a good plae in those either. They are awesome, but not useful. And a lot of them require an entire deck buiklt around them
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