Your deck getting thumbs up/down

[Twitchrichard]

Whether your deck gets thumbs up or down should have NOTHING to do with your deck rank. I have built arena decks for the last month & every time regardless of how well the win loss shows it's doing because of the thumbs up/down it gets booted from the active category. Knowing this all one has to do to get their deck higher in rank is lose every game against the opponent in the arena & thumbs down everyone which is what seems to be happening. PLEASE fix this I don't mind the thumbs up/down but it should in no way effect your decks arena rank. Thank you & I hope the Dev's listen to this, I've been playing elements for over 2 years now & this problem is about to drive me to the point of quitting the game. 

[russianspy1234]

You want a better rank?  Build decks that earn thumbs up.  The whole reason the system was implemented was to reward creative decks and to punish oraclebows and the like.

[Twitchrichard]

It doesn't matter what deck you build with the way the system is everyone thumbs down any deck they lose to so they can rank their deck up. That's become extremely obvious to me at this point. Now I'm gonna go prove it by losing on purpose & down thumbing every deck I fight just to boost my deck back into active.

[russianspy1234]

as far as i know, a deck getting thumbs downed still goes up, its just that one getting a thumbs up goes up more.  sure there probably are a number of people that abuse it, and maybe in platinum its statistically significant but there are a lot of people playing that rate fairly.  my decks are gold but i tend to play silver so i have no incentive not to rate fairly.

[Twitchrichard]

No it doesn't how can my deck get 15 wins 2 loses & still get rated off the rankings then?

Unless your a moderator I'd appreciate you to keep your opinion to yourself I've been watching the scoring & it DOES work the way I'm saying cause I've almost put my deck back into active just by purposely losing & thumbs downing every deck.

& just so everyone is aware I'm in Platinum division with a score of 263,688

[Higurashi]

I understand you're frustrated, but please don't triple or double-post and let people give their opinion. It's mostly what forums are for.

Platinum is so unbalanced due to new overpowered cards right now that you -need- the right cards to get a high rank, unfortunately. Even more unfortunate is the fact that you can get decently far with a so-called Oraclebow, though it doesn't look anything like the "original" did.

However, thumbs down does not remove any of your rating. It does nothing.
Thumbs up, on the other hand, doubles the rating you gain. Getting thumbs up is pretty rare, and that's good. Creative decks should be promoted.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that no deck has ever gotten a high rank due to thumbs up. Since they are so rare, they have very little impact, and even a deck with 50% thumbs up (which is a LOT), won't get anywhere unless it has a winrate of around 30:1 (which in turn means it has to have a strong card and thus won't get thumbs up).

You can see this by looking at the top of the leaderboards. None of those decks have more than 1-2 thumbs up from random newbies, because they're based off a strong card. One you need to get there.

[Captain Scibra]

Thing is though, a deck that wins most of the time still has a better chance of being high rank than a creative deck that wins some of the time.  Sounds to me like a thumbs up deserves 3x everything.

[Tirear]

Thing is though, a deck that wins most of the time still has a better chance of being high rank than a creative deck that wins some of the time.  Sounds to me like a thumbs up deserves 3x everything.

I disagree with the "everything". Electrum does not decrease on a loss, so a creative deck only needs to get a single extra thumbs up for each extra loss to make the same profit over the same timespan. This is a perfectly reasonable ratio, so the only reason creative decks are unprofitable is that they get eliminated too quickly. This a problem with the rating.

Secondly, the ratings are more of high high level issue. I looked through the leagues just now and compiled a list of the rating values for a win and a loss (WARNING: Real values are subject to continuous change, table values will remain constant):

League	Win	Loss	TU/Loss
Bronze	10	-10	2
Silver	13	-20	2.54
Gold	11	-30	3.73
Platinum	6	-40	7.67

The final column lists how many extra thumbs up a deck currently needs for each extra loss it receives, in order to have the same rating. We can see that Plat has over double the ratio gold has, and things get better the lower the league you are in. In lower leagues sacrificing win-rate for creativity is already viable. In gold, I don't have enough data to tell. In platinum, it will get you kicked out quickly. So any increase in the rating boost from thumbs up should scale with what league it is in.
EDIT: Actually, are we sure that creative decks are not viable in plat? The extra points for health&stuff along with all the low win-rate farmers result in high win-rates regardless, with the OP as an example, so assuming the plat farmers are not jerkier than in lower leagues, an increase in creativity should result in more thumbs up than it would in lower leagues. Glancing through the current top 50, several of them appear to have a pretty decent percentage (30%+) of thumbs ups. Of course, these decks are old enough that the flux in rating/win will make my guess at the TU rate inaccurate, but things are looking less clear. Bad decks are clearly not viable regardless of thumbs ups, but a deck that is strong and creative might be able to compete with decks that are really strong and overused.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

EDIT: Actually, are we sure that creative decks are not viable in plat? The extra points for health&stuff along with all the low win-rate farmers result in high win-rates regardless, with the OP as an example, so assuming the plat farmers are not jerkier than in lower leagues, an increase in creativity should result in more thumbs up than it would in lower leagues.

I've built a lot of creative, pvp viable platinum decks with the benefits of level 78. They usually get around a 1:1 win loss ratio because SoSac farmers are overpowered and adding counters like Purify will damn you into getting thumbs down. In the end, even if all wins are thumbs up they tend to get eliminated after being about 5-5. A deck that goes 40-0 could even get more thumbs up than that, even if just because it wins more often.

In fact, the few times that I'm platinum farming some farmers I use have a low win ratio because they usually only win vs non-standard decks.

[Higurashi]

As an example, I had an odd Deja Hope up yesterday. It went 10-2 and had a rating of -4. It got lots of thumbs up. Today I have Monofire up. It's 13-0 so far and has 97 rating (rank 66). No thumbs up.

[rosutosefi]

I got a few thumbs up for my decks, but still not enough to offset the number of losses that my decks had.

Solution: Make the rating system dynamic. Like say, based on the average winrate of all the decks in the league. If the league decks have 50% losses, make the thumbs worth 1 win. If it's 25% make it double. If it's 2.5%, make it twenty times. Or something like that.