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Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323174#msg323174
« on: April 30, 2011, 02:10:05 am »
I think that the sale value of nymphs should be reduced. Time and again, I've heard players lamenting the nymphs they sold before they learned what they were doing. That big number just blinds new players to the fact that nymphs are incredibly rare, basically encouraging them to make a mistake.

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323185#msg323185
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 02:34:10 am »
I think the "Tip of the Year" should just be changed to "Never sell a Nymph."

But I like your idea to make Nymphs sell for less.

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323188#msg323188
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 02:44:36 am »
Yup, I'm another victim of selling nymphs before knowing their true value :'(. So I must vote yes

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323213#msg323213
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 03:10:46 am »
Who wants to keep the nymphs at their same sell pirce?
Could they give their reasons/logic, or at least notify us if they don't have any reason or logic about the decision?
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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323225#msg323225
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2011, 03:28:36 am »
I actually kept my first nymph, and following ones because of the sell value.
At that point in the game, I wasn't a forum member, I had very few upgraded cards. So a sell value of 908 (or whatever it actually is) told me that the card was more valueable than anything I owned, or at least, more valueable than anu unupgraded card I owned - where Miracle apparantly was the best.

Honestly, I think I am in the minority, with the higher sell price convincing me to keep the card, but there are probably some other people, just as weird as me.
(Worth noting again, that if the price had been 1000 or pretty close to the price of upgrading, I would have been more tempted to sell)

Edit: This poll kinda sucks for me. Might wanna remove the bit at the end about 'let them learn from mistakes', makes it seem a pretty loaded question.

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323234#msg323234
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 03:45:49 am »
I think Nymphs should not be sellable at all. It should be a card of indefinite value. Decreasing the value will prevent mistakes, but making Nymphs not sellable would eliminate mistakes. That's my  :electrum on this topic.

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323239#msg323239
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2011, 03:52:00 am »
First, a nymph at the beginning and I argue intermediate stages of development for any player is "blown out of proportion" or "hyped up". In my opinion, the value of the elctrum to get other useful cards outweighs the value of any one nymph.
I can't find a single person that sold a nymph and didn't later regret it. Since most people will quickly believe that the a nymph is more valuable than the sell value of a nymph, it should be recommended that nymphs are not sold. That would make most people happier in the future. because they did not sell their nymph, which they think is more valuable than the sell value of a nymph.
Second, We grow and learn from our mistakes, if they wish to continue the game at a more developed pace: There are other ways to obtain that nymph. I argue that the luck of getting a nymph isn't "one time" nor is it exclusive to those who do it alone from the Oracle.
Other ways to obtain that nymph? On average, it takes more than a year to win a specific nymph one wants. This is evidenced by the fact that so few people have 1 of every nymph from non-manipulated spins.
I am agreeable though depending on the situation we cry out as well in our own counter lamentation: "DON"T SELL A NYMPH"
Take that as an guideline or piece of advice, not an ultimatum. It soley depends on the purpose/goal  and how long the player
wishes to stay in the community: moreover, how active they wish to participate in "higher tournaments and events".
The problem is that players cannot ever make an accurate decision about whether or not they will play enough to value the nymph more than the electrum from selling it. In almost every case, they will wish they had the nymph in the future.
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if you're a collector and don't want to play anything outside the game itself, by all means keep the nymph.
if you're just trying to build a deck, and are testing out the community: It's not the end of the world selling a nymph, it may improve their chances now that they can afford more cards.
if you're planning to stay long term, want to collect, and experience everything the game has to offer(+forum event wise) keep the nymphs.
Players do not know whether or not they are going to stay long term. The small amount of electrum is not worth the risk of disappointing someone who will play more Elements in the future.

Nymphs shouldn't be called "rare/unsellable", but "rare/an investment" : Some players wish to "cash in early" others wait for the value of the nymph increases and becomes useful.

Most players that cash in early will later regret doing so. Since there is a way to prevent some of the players from cashing in early, it should be implemented.
I personally haven't seen a complete disadvantage of "not" having nymphs in my decks.
There are good decks that use nymphs. Not having nymphs would mean you are unable to use those decks; thus, you would be disadvantaged.

I actually kept my first nymph, and following ones because of the sell value.
At that point in the game, I wasn't a forum member, I had very few upgraded cards. So a sell value of 908 (or whatever it actually is) told me that the card was more valueable than anything I owned, or at least, more valueable than anu unupgraded card I owned - where Miracle apparantly was the best.
The giant notice saying not to sell the card will tell people it is a rare card. And a rare card that barely sells for anything probably won't be sold.

I think Nymphs should not be sellable at all. It should be a card of instigate value. Decreasing the value will prevent mistakes, but making Nymphs not sellable would eliminate mistakes. That's my  :electrum on this topic.
This would be ideal. The only slight chance to this would be that nymphs could be sold if a player already had 12 nymphs of that Element. This would prevent the nymphs from taking up space, because an account can hold a limited amount of cards.
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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323265#msg323265
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2011, 04:30:21 am »
Edit: This poll kinda sucks for me. Might wanna remove the bit at the end about 'let them learn from mistakes', makes it seem a pretty loaded question.
Now that I read it again, agreed.

Also, new option in the poll.

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg323286#msg323286
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 05:08:02 am »
ahh yes, this is more of a philosophical debate, and I appreciate your comments.  And I thank you for your prompt reply.

My take on it is, the disappointment and regret of ONE event, shouldn't drain the whole playing experience.

People are allowed to make mistakes, and learn from them and grow from there.

I know they'll regret it , or feel it's a bad move. But if they can't learn from that mistake, and if they can't understand it's "not the end" but merely a new challenge to get that nymph back, I argue they'd want to fight to get it back.
The only thing they can learn is that selling a nymph is a bad idea. They will learn that anyways as their deck becomes stronger and 1000 electrum is a small price for a nymph.
Fighting harder to get it back would mean playing in tournaments, but a player that cares about card rarity would choose a mark instead of a nymph.
I'm just curious, the nymph has an "explosion" + "warning sound" you're selling a rare item... wouldn't any player "reconsider? selling them?"

As a compromise, why not a "stronger" warning then

"THIS IS A NYMPH: WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO NOT SELL THIS" etc...
I agree with the stronger warning.
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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg326859#msg326859
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 06:19:17 pm »
Stronger warning for Nymphs sounds good. But due to the rarity they should sell for what they do sell for 909 or what it is.
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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg328584#msg328584
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2011, 10:36:43 pm »
I couldn't care any less about nymphs. I've been playing for a year now with a score of 139,000+ and win a lot more than I lose. There's only 1 good nymph and 2 that are semi-good. The good one is the gravity nymph, followed by the aether nymph and then the entropy nymph. I've sold a light nymph and currently have 2 fire nymphs, 1 death nymph and another one I cannot recall because it's no good. I just keep them in case trading ever becomes viable in the game. Other than that, I would never use them. I just collect them to have them.

There is no other card that is equivalent to the gravity nymph. When you can use the power every round, you can't even possibly compare the black hole card to it.

The aether nymph is semi-ok but is better replaced with the anubis.

The entropy nymph is semi-ok I guess but anti-matter is just not even important for my style of play.

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Re: Reduce Nymphs' Sale Value https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25396.msg328601#msg328601
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2011, 11:22:01 pm »
I'd rather that upgraded cards didn't show up the rare warning in the bazaar. You can still replace them on your own, it's just more than a one click job.
Then, the big warning would make more shudders. I remember I wanted to sell an upgraded card the first time because it was useless in my deck, and that came up and made me jump. Then I proceeded to ignore it.
If it were limited to the "true" rare cards then it would mean a lot more to newer players.

 

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