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Purchasable Marks (Metamorphosis) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg45470#msg45470
« on: March 30, 2010, 11:35:41 am »
Ok, I'm not trying to kill Metamorphosis here but...
IF you run 2 active decks that use different marks then having to use metamorphosis for every change really drains your electrum (esspecially when you mostly play around with duels) so what if you could permanently "Buy" marks, as well as metamorphosize?

Your purchased marks would probably just be free to change to on the metamorphosis page, and ideally they'd show up in the Your Deck tab as well (so you could import your deck, and while on the same page change your mark to any of your purchased ones)

It won't really "widen the gap between pros and newbies" either, since newbies won't have to worry about running 2 decks until they have enough to buy the marks.
I reckon 1000 or 1500 electrum to buy a mark sounds good? maybe a little less? it will be expensive at first, but to the people who find themselves changing all the time it really saves a lot of money.

Anyway, discuss, improve, implement :P (and thanks for reading ^^)

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg45471#msg45471
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 11:40:22 am »
This has actually been suggested many times before.

My problem with this is that there should be an option to continue paying 100 electrum per mark change.  Otherwise, newbies will be stuck with the element they started the game with, for a long time. 

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg45760#msg45760
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 09:15:40 pm »
Ok, I'm not trying to kill Metamorphosis here but...
IF you run 2 active decks that use different marks then having to use metamorphosis for every change really drains your electrum (esspecially when you mostly play around with duels) so what if you could permanently "Buy" marks, as well as metamorphosize?
Salmon's already one step ahead of you, pepokish.

I suggested a very similar idea in chat once, but everybody there thought it was stupid. Maybe 100 electrum isn't a lot for most people, but I would certainly feel a lot freer if I could pay a larger upfront cost and not have to worry about it later.

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg45992#msg45992
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 06:38:14 am »
I apologise if the idea is old ^^; I only really read the first page of the forum :P

Maybe 100 electrum isn't a lot for most people, but I would certainly feel a lot freer if I could pay a larger upfront cost and not have to worry about it later.
Thats what I'm saying, the 100 electrum is fine for newbies who just dont like their element, a one time switch, and I suppose 100 electrum is chicken feed for FG grinders, but what about us "middle" players? the ones who want to run more then one deck and mostly just do duels? should we be forced to grind elders between every few matches if we feel like switching decks?

The points are:
It would be incredibly handy to those who would use it
It would be rather easy to implement
It wouldn't make a huge impact on the game (It would however, make it much more fun for the players who would use it)

And looking at the title it's a little misleading... should I change it?

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46143#msg46143
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 03:52:04 pm »
I agree with creating a lump some cost for a mark. I switch back and forth between 2 marks alot and its getting expensive. 

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46147#msg46147
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 03:57:16 pm »
As long as the 100-electrum option is still available, this is a fantastic idea.  It has my full support.  I'm not sure what sort of cost would be right.

Basically, at 1000 electrum, in order to be worth your while you would otherwise need to switch your mark 100 times.  Any less, and you're better off paying the 100 electrum each time.  Personally, I think 1000 electrum (or even 1500) would be a fair price.

The title is definitely misleading; at first, I assumed this would be another topic about mark cards.

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46346#msg46346
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 11:44:35 pm »
My original suggestion was to allow players to pay 1500e (the same as upgrading a card) to get rid of the 100e metamorphosis fee. You wouldn't have to buy each element separately, which might make it easier to implement.

At that cost it wouldn't pay off until you change marks 15 times. I don't use metamorphosis very often, so it might not make much sense for me economically, but I would certainly use it more if I didn't have to worry about losing money each time. The peace of mind alone would be worth the price.

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46375#msg46375
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 12:30:07 am »
As long as the 100-electrum option is still available, this is a fantastic idea.  It has my full support.  I'm not sure what sort of cost would be right.

Basically, at 1000 electrum, in order to be worth your while you would otherwise need to switch your mark 100 times.  Any less, and you're better off paying the 100 electrum each time.  Personally, I think 1000 electrum (or even 1500) would be a fair price.

The title is definitely misleading; at first, I assumed this would be another topic about mark cards.
Umm, not sure where your math went but if it cost 1000 electrum you would only have to switch 11 times for it to be worth it.

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46376#msg46376
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2010, 12:31:36 am »
My original suggestion was to allow players to pay 1500e (the same as upgrading a card) to get rid of the 100e metamorphosis fee. You wouldn't have to buy each element separately, which might make it easier to implement.

At that cost it wouldn't pay off until you change marks 150 times. I don't use metamorphosis very often, so it might not make sense for me economically, but I would certainly use it more if I didn't have to worry about losing money each time. The peace of mind alone would be worth the price.
Also where the hell is your math, 100 times 150 is 15,000! not 1500

Salmon

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Re: Purchasable Marks (Metamorphosis) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46419#msg46419
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2010, 02:25:36 am »
My original suggestion was to allow players to pay 1500e (the same as upgrading a card) to get rid of the 100e metamorphosis fee. You wouldn't have to buy each element separately, which might make it easier to implement.
Hmm, I think getting ALL the marks for 1500 would be a bit cheap...

Maybe pay 1500 for a single mark, but pay only 12000 to buy all at once? (so you end up saving 500 per mark if you "buy in bulk")
I don't really see too many people needing EVERY mark, but I suppose it adds a sense of completion if you have them all

I say 1500 for a mark instead of 1000 because it's rather akin to upgrading a card, so it should probably be the same price

And how it "Wont pay off until you change your mark a lot of times" thats really the point, an option so people who change marks a lot can save money, thus you wont be forced to grind to change marks cos your out of cash (like me xD)

Great to see some support guys ^^ thanks

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Re: Permanent Marks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46434#msg46434
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2010, 03:31:38 am »
Also where the hell is your math, 100 times 150 is 15,000! not 1500
Note to self: Never base calculations on someone else's math.  :-X

The problem I have with paying per element is that it doesn't really fit my situation. I mostly use a :time mark now, but that's only because I can use both the unupgraded FG grinder and an AI3/Top50 speeddeck without paying to change it. I'm frankly bored with both of those, but there isn't any single element I'd switch off to. They're all equally likely to catch my attention. Surely I'm not the only person who wants to play as many different decks as possible?

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Re: Purchasable Marks (Metamorphosis) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4606.msg46442#msg46442
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2010, 03:54:47 am »
I say 2500 for a single mark, and you would only be able to buy 4 marks.

That way you could buy your FG grinder's mark, and 3 marks you use a lot for pvp/T50. Of course, you would be allowed to sell a mark you have (1000, anyone? I don't think it should use the same algorithm for cards...) and buy a different one.

Or you could just pay 100. That seems fair to me.

 

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