Pillar deck in TOP50

[gutsyDuck]

ok I understand your point of view. better for newbes, dont want to waste time grinding...

so what is the difference between all card accessible in bazaar and pillar deck in T50 ? The first one is more equal for everybody.
Grinding money from farms deck is a bad argument, a rare card un-upped give you 150 electrum.
Finally you preffer broke the system create by zanzarinno ?
and what about player who just want to play against 1 of the best deck  and finnaly just click fo 5 minutes on done button ? for now I got 3 deck that are Farms deck with your's , got 4 . So 4/50 decks  (minimum are Farms deck) where is the limit ? When we reach ten percent ?

YOU believe your idea is good for your reason.
I believe your a wrong and that's deserve the game.

is there a solution ? what is the real problem ? having card more quickly ? or more electrum ?

[MrBlonde]

so what is the difference between all card accessible in bazaar and pillar deck in T50 ? The first one is more equal for everybody.

Difference is that if you put all the cards in the bazaar then you have no rare cards. Rare cards make the game fun. Obtaining rares gives a sense of accomplishment. With the T50 you still need to find the farms and work for getting them and it's "fun/enjoyable" winning them.

Grinding money from farms deck is a bad argument, a rare card un-upped give you 150 electrum.

Not true. Relics and shards do not give you that much.

Finally you preffer broke the system create by zanzarinno ?

Mmmm.. "broken" would be a matter of opinion.

and what about player who just want to play against 1 of the best deck  and finnaly just click fo 5 minutes on done button ? for now I got 3 deck that are Farms deck with your's , got 4 . So 4/50 decks  (minimum are Farms deck) where is the limit ? When we reach ten percent ?

If you just want to play farm decks and quit on all the others that's fine. You end up losing score and electrum. And as for a limit i wouldn't really worry about that too much. The majority of the players don't do farms.

YOU believe your idea is good for your reason.
I believe your a wrong and that's deserve the game.

I believe that farms make people happier AND it keeps around people who may not because of them. I believe people who like the game less because of farms are in the minority.  If i believed that farms hindered the game rather then helped it i would most certainly take mine off.

is there a solution ? what is the real problem ? having card more quickly ? or more electrum ?

I don't consider either a problem. The real problem with the game is that currently there isn't much to do once you reach a certain stage. BUT Zanz is currently working on that.

[gutsyDuck]

ok another way to exmplain you why farm deck cause problem... (for other point we are almost agree, game should be fun and new player shouldn't have to play one year in order to have enought card and electrum to play fun deck)

So people ( and not just you) decide to put this kind of deck. THEY decide. nor the game creator or a community. They decide that it should be better like this. But Zanz create the game with some rules, he is the one who have the right to decide. Not you ! If you believe something is wrong or could be better send a message, explain, discuss. If you are not the game creator, it's not your property, you didn't have to change the rules by yourself.
It's not only a problem of property is also a problem of respect. This kind of attitude is disrespectful.
It's the old problem of the rabbi and the whore... Where can we start and where should we stop.

[xdude]

ok another way to exmplain you why farm deck cause problem... (for other point we are almost agree, game should be fun and new player shouldn't have to play one year in order to have enought card and electrum to play fun deck)

So people ( and not just you) decide to put this kind of deck. THEY decide. nor the game creator or a community. They decide that it should be better like this. But Zanz create the game with some rules, he is the one who have the right to decide. Not you ! If you believe something is wrong or could be better send a message, explain, discuss. If you are not the game creator, it's not your property, you didn't have to change the rules by yourself.
It's not only a problem of property is also a problem of respect. This kind of attitude is disrespectful.
It's the old problem of the rabbi and the whore... Where can we start and where should we stop.

So... let's recap.
Zanz said nothing about these farms.
All the T50 people did is make some special decks, without breaking any rules.
You don't like this, so you make it sound bad.
WTF?

[MrBlonde]

ok another way to exmplain you why farm deck cause problem... (for other point we are almost agree, game should be fun and new player shouldn't have to play one year in order to have enought card and electrum to play fun deck)

So people ( and not just you) decide to put this kind of deck. THEY decide. nor the game creator or a community. They decide that it should be better like this. But Zanz create the game with some rules, he is the one who have the right to decide. Not you ! If you believe something is wrong or could be better send a message, explain, discuss. If you are not the game creator, it's not your property, you didn't have to change the rules by yourself.
It's not only a problem of property is also a problem of respect. This kind of attitude is disrespectful.
It's the old problem of the rabbi and the whore... Where can we start and where should we stop.

I'm not sure i'm getting this. Farms don't break any rules. There are no rules in the game dictating what the Top 50 decks should or should not play. Zanz made the rules where the players with the highest scores get to create whatever deck they want to place in the T50. We are following the rules. No loopholes, no exploits, no cheating, no rule breaking. The players in the T50 all EARNED this right.

There is no disrespect here towards Zanz or the game. So you would say that CB!, Essence, Jangoo, PuppyChow, and Jumbalumba (all prominant posters, masters) who all put up farms are disrespecting the game?

[gutsyDuck]

you believe that no rules have been breaking. not me, when I click on TOP50 button there is an implicit rules : I am going to play against very good deck. not a paraplegic deck.
If top50 is only the right for best player to put the deck they want, then your are right and no rules have been breaked, it's just a problem of wording.

[MrBlonde]

you believe that no rules have been breaking. not me, when I click on TOP50 button there is an implicit rules : I am going to play against very good deck. not a paraplegic deck.
If top50 is only the right for best player to put the deck they want, then your are right and no rules have been breaked, it's just a problem of wording.

I wouldn't say the players in the T50 are the best players. Just players who have the highest score which does not equate to best in terms of skill. And really the only implicit rules concerning the T50 are the ones you are personally making. I do realize though that this discussion isn't going to change anyone's mind.

Honestly if you want to play a good deck i would play PvP. I know it's slower and it desyncs but if you want a challenge that's the way to go. Anyhow i hope that the farms in the T50 don't put you off from continually playing the game and posting here.

[gutsyDuck]

I wouldn't say the players in the T50 are the best players. Just players who have the highest score which does not equate to best in terms of skill. And really the only implicit rules concerning the T50 are the ones you are personally making. I do realize though that this discussion isn't going to change anyone's mind.

Honestly if you want to play a good deck i would play PvP. I know it's slower and it desyncs but if you want a challenge that's the way to go. Anyhow i hope that the farms in the T50 don't put you off from continually playing the game and posting here.

Your are wrong with almost one thing, I will change my mind
you explain me that top50 is not what it seem to be. OK, it's just the right for best players to put their deck. OK.
So I suppose you don't play with your farm's deck and you don't have to change account to play another deck ?

Don't worry I will not stop playing for these kind of problems, I will shout and cry a lot before stopping ( I stop MtG a hundred of time before really stopped)

[xdude]

you believe that no rules have been breaking. not me, when I click on TOP50 button there is an implicit rules : I am going to play against very good deck. not a paraplegic deck.
If top50 is only the right for best player to put the deck they want, then your are right and no rules have been breaked, it's just a problem of wording.

It's something YOU CONSIDER an implicit rule. Not an implicit rule.

[gutsyDuck]

when there is a panel with "ENTER" there is an implicit rule/suggestion -> you can enter. Words have meaning.

[MrBlonde]

Your are wrong with almost one thing, I will change my mind
you explain me that top50 is not what it seem to be. OK, it's just the right for best players to put their deck. OK.
So I suppose you don't play with your farm's deck and you don't have to change account to play another deck ?

No i don't play with my farm deck and i only use this one account. And i wish you wouldn't say the "best" players because that would infer that i am one of them and i am not (not trying to be humble either). Many of the "best" players don't have decks in the T50.

Don't worry I will not stop playing for these kind of problems, I will shout and cry a lot before stopping ( I stop MtG a hundred of time before really stopped)

Well i'm honestly glad to hear that and hope to see u in the T50 soon  .

[bojengles77]

when there is a panel with "ENTER" there is an implicit rule/suggestion -> you can enter. Words have meaning.

Hitting a button that says "enter" doesn't mean there is a rule that you can enter.. that doesn't make any sense. A rule is somethin stated or generally understood by the affected group. Words do have meaning, and hitting T50 means that you're going to play a game against the last deck that a player in the top 50 scores was playing with. That doesn't mean that the deck has to be a super-deck or a false god farming deck, it just means that the player used it.