Nymph Metamorphosis

[Fallower]

If it was expensive, there would be more use for electrum in the game. =/
But thats mainly for old and experienced players, who probably would still go on elements to do the oracle spin once a day for their nymphs. :p

[Sir Valimont]

I just reread the whole thread to make sure (and I apologize if I missed something), but it looks to me like everyone that is pro-metamorphosis wants it to be cheap, not expensive. The pro-metamorphosis suggestions have been on the scale of 100-3000 electrum. I am by no means wealthy, but that is pretty trivial in the context of this game. You can win 1000-3000 from a single False God victory. An hour of T50 or AI3 will probably get you that, too.

Indeed ... the simplest way to summarize is in saying that folks who want the metamorphosis generally want things to be easier. My view (and that of anti-metamorphosis folks) is that easier isn't better, and will damage the game.

[zse]

Essentially with this system, once you have won 1 nymph you have won them all.  So that actually gives you a quantity of "specialness" changed--nymphs will be 12 times less special than they were before.

I completely agree!

I have  nymphs. I can't do much with this. It's cool and could help sometime but not crazy good. With this tool and a bit of grinding I could easily arrive to 4  nymphs. Ouch ... If I can do that, what could the more experience player do? I don't want to spend a PvP session fighting decks containing 6 nymphs one after the other!

It's a very attractive idea but IMHO it's a bad idea.

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Pro-metamorphosis view:  The rarity of nymphs is unharmed because metamorphosis would be expensive enough to discourage (or even disallow) frequent metamorphosis, but players who have always wanted "that one nymph" get their prized nymph.
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Couldn't have said it better. I'm also in Pro-Metamorphosis team, but I can also see how easily that could be abused.

My suggestion for this dilemma is that instead of having some additional (meaningless) Electrum cost, you'd have to pay EXTRA Nymphs to get the Nymphs you really REALLY want. This is just a simple idea and I'm sure it can still be tweaked better, but for example it could go like this:
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 0 - cost 1 other Nymph. (2⁰)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 1 - cost 2 other Nymphs. (2¹)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 2 - cost 4 other Nymphs. (2²)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 3 - cost 8 other Nymphs. (2³)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 4 - cost 16 other Nymphs. (2⁴)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 5 - cost 32 other Nymphs. (2⁵)

[genraenera]

Something else I've been noticing is a misconception about the proposed cost of metamorphosis.  I, along with the other serious proponents of metamorphosis, seem to agree that the price of metamorphosis should be very high, probably in electrum terms at 20000-50000 per metamorphosis, while also having the possibility of other non-electrum costs.  Few people are really advocating a cheap or easily accomplished metamorphosis, those people saying it should cost 3000 are simply unrealistic.

This system would not be intended to allow people to metamorphosize nymphs on a whim, it would, ideally, force players to spend at least a few days thinking about which nymph they want to change for which, and some serious time in actually getting the required resources.  Heck, even I would oppose a cheap way to metamorphosize nymphs, as that WOULD take away from their rarity.  However having metamorphosis be possible, albeit extremely difficult and expensive would not take away from nymphs' rarity.

[teffy]

My suggestion for this dilemma is that instead of having some additional (meaningless) Electrum cost, you'd have to pay EXTRA Nymphs to get the Nymphs you really REALLY want. This is just a simple idea and I'm sure it can still be tweaked better, but for example it could go like this:
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 0 - cost 1 other Nymph. (2⁰)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 1 - cost 2 other Nymphs. (2¹)
[...]

How can it always cost more nymphs than you own ?
1>0
2>1
4>2
...


@ metamorphosis costs in electrums:

What about money cheats ? They let you choose your nymphs.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

My suggestion for this dilemma is that instead of having some additional (meaningless) Electrum cost, you'd have to pay EXTRA Nymphs to get the Nymphs you really REALLY want. This is just a simple idea and I'm sure it can still be tweaked better, but for example it could go like this:
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 0 - cost 1 other Nymph. (2⁰)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 1 - cost 2 other Nymphs. (2¹)
[...]

How can it always cost more nymphs than you own ?
1>0
2>1
4>2
...

I had to reread it myself to understand, but if you have 0 of one particular nymph (not nymphs total, but from the type of nymph you want) you want, you need to pay 1 of any other kind of nymph to get it. If you have 1, you have to pay 2 of any other kind etc... This to prevent getting awesome decks with lots of nymphs.

Though I highly doubt people would pay even 2 nymphs to get another...

[Fallower]

I would, especially if I had like 3 copies of a useless nymph.

[Kurohami]

I am against this idea, it does make nymph uninteresting after you have a couple. However, I think there can be a compromise. How about each account can only change the element of 1 nymph once and that's it? So, people can get at least 1 nymph of the element they like if they already have at least 1 nymph but does not ruin the specialness of nymph in any major way. I am fine with how the nymphs are distributed now, but I wouldn't mind what I suggested above either. And purple nymph is twice as abundant as the rest according to Sir Valiment's thread, I don't know why people think it's such a big deal.

[implayin4s8n]

how about when you go to upgrade your nymph you have the option to either upgrade your current card or change the color. that wouldn't be so bad...maybey?? 

[Sir Valimont]

I am against this idea, it does make nymph uninteresting after you have a couple. However, I think there can be a compromise. How about each account can only change the element of 1 nymph once and that's it? So, people can get at least 1 nymph of the element they like if they already have at least 1 nymph but does not ruin the specialness of nymph in any major way. I am fine with how the nymphs are distributed now, but I wouldn't mind what I suggested above either. And purple nymph is twice as abundant as the rest according to Sir Valiment's thread, I don't know why people think it's such a big deal.

I think this is a very smart compromise.

What I would add is that maybe the FIRST nymph Oracle gives a player is automatically the same element as that player's mark, but all the rest of them are random. That would be a pretty good compromise IMO.

[Fallower]

Or add an option to randomise the colour of a nymph at the sacrifice of a rare card?

[teffy]

My suggestion for this dilemma is that instead of having some additional (meaningless) Electrum cost, you'd have to pay EXTRA Nymphs to get the Nymphs you really REALLY want. This is just a simple idea and I'm sure it can still be tweaked better, but for example it could go like this:
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 0 - cost 1 other Nymph. (2⁰)
Metamorphose to get 1 Nymph you currently have 1 - cost 2 other Nymphs. (2¹)
[...]

How can it always cost more nymphs than you own ?
1>0
2>1
4>2
...

I had to reread it myself to understand, but if you have 0 of one particular nymph (not nymphs total, but from the type of nymph you want) you want, you need to pay 1 of any other kind of nymph to get it. If you have 1, you have to pay 2 of any other kind etc... This to prevent getting awesome decks with lots of nymphs.

Though I highly doub tpeople would pay even 2 nymphs to get another...

Ok, now I understand.
I wouldn´t give more than a nymph for another. If you can give a nymph for another, that means: one nymph = all nymphs.
Bad.

    I am against this idea, it does make nymph uninteresting after you have a couple. However, I think there can be a compromise. How about each account can only change the element of 1 nymph once and that's it? So, people can get at least 1 nymph of the element they like if they already have at least 1 nymph but does not ruin the specialness of nymph in any major way. I am fine with how the nymphs are distributed now, but I wouldn't mind what I suggested above either. And purple nymph is twice as abundant as the rest according to Sir Valiment's thread, I don't know why people think it's such a big deal.

Psychological problematic. Many people will think, they chose the wrong nymph. You will have little fun with this feature.
New good cards can also come.

Smaller problem with the rare quest. You will get many other rares.

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What I would add is that maybe the FIRST nymph Oracle gives a player is automatically the same element as that player's mark, but all the rest of them are random. That would be a pretty good compromise IMO.

People who know the rule get better nymphs than the other. Bad.
And I don´t always play with marks, whose color have the best nymphs.