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Should momentum+psion(or SoW) reflected by the reflective shield?

Yes, it's momentum, and it should bypass the shield effects.
11 (45.8%)
No, it's spell damage, and it should reflected even it got momentum'd.
13 (54.2%)

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Re: Reflecting Momentumed Spell Damage? What did you say? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43459.msg1000513#msg1000513
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2012, 10:45:42 pm »
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What do you think of countering SoW+Reflective combo?
Like past Quint+Momentum, it's totally unstoppable(without SoSac and Sundials, which have stasis time counter).
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Re: Reflecting Momentumed Spell Damage? What did you say? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43459.msg1000539#msg1000539
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2012, 11:35:02 pm »
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What do you think of countering SoW+Reflective combo?
Like past Quint+Momentum, it's totally unstoppable(without SoSac and Sundials, which have stasis time counter).
You bring up a good point, SoW+Reflect does leave another very difficult to counter combo. Since you have to target an enemy's creature though, the result is a little less potent I think.

The big issue with momentum quint combo is that it won't have the same double edged sword type of effect that SoW reflect does if used on creatures that have a powerful ability.

A better base for comparison is actually the AM+Quint combo. SoW quint is a little more versatile (since it can target immaterial creatures) but the impact should be fairly similar (e.g. you still potentially leave a creature with a dangerous ability alive and unkillable)

E.g. opponent plays oty + quint. You play reflect + SoW... Oty can still eat your creatures, but now they have to weigh eating against taking extra damage themselves.

Its worth noting that there are some ways that SoW reflect differs  from AM Quint. (e.g. some abilities do get knocked out by SoW)
For instance, spell damage will effectively negate vampire and poison abilities.
So for vampires, its less effective than AM + quint, but for venom users it will be more effective.

Finally, compare the benefits to the previous quint + momentum paradigm.
With quint momentum, you can make a creature of your choice unassailable while retaining all of its abilities
--Unstopable damage source against opponent
--Unstopable ability on YOUR side
With SoW + reflect, you can pick one of your enemy's creatures to reflect back at them
--Unstopable damage source against opponent
--Unstopable ability on OPPONENT side

So SoW reflect is the lesser of the two evils here due to the potential double edge sword.
Also, SoW reflect requires you to use a specific shield. Against singular (or small numbers) of creatures this isn't a problem, but if you are facing, say a swarm of mutators, this may not be a good idea, so thats another way that this combo is a bit lower key.

All in all, I agree that its still a little annoying to have a combo that is so difficult to counter. However, it will make people think twice about quint + momentum combo which is the more OP of the two, so in my book thats an improvement.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2012, 11:37:53 pm by OdinVanguard »
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