Minor Phoenix

[sandspider]

Great card, great ability. It's cost is very low and comes out fast. However, I think its ash should reflect the cost, and be a 0/4 ash. I believe this change, whilst not having that much of an effect upon the way its played for the user, would allow opponents to kill off the ash with greater ease. Having 4 hp would still not make it brittle at all, but perhaps more vulnerable to direct damage. This would make the undoubtedly popular fire decks more vulnerable to people playing with wind, or other fire dd decks.


Any thoughts?

[dracomageat]

I suggested the same thing for purely aesthetic reasons but it seems most players don't like the idea.

[sandspider]

might those players all have minor phoenix rush decks? The card is overpowered, at least the ash should be 0/4 if not 0/3

[dracomageat]

I strongly oppose 0/3. 0/4 would mimic the 4 attack of the phoenix like the 0/7 mimics the attack of the better phoenix. 0/3 seems as out of place as 0/7 does on the card.

[sandspider]

I think 0/4 would be more appropriate too...0/7 for the cost is ridiculous.

[unionruler]

I am interested the 0|4 motion. The difference between 3 hp and 4 hp is a very big one, because 4 is just out of the range of OE arrows and the all-important fire storm. However, I would prefer the ash of minor phoenix to stay as it is as 0|7 because of it's strategic use as a decoy for creature control--4 attack isn't exactly something VERY attractive or imbalanced if you're looking at a control strategy. If you were using a fractal phoenix deck or something else to capitalize on the attack value/cost, you wouldn't be worried about creature control anyway, be it 0|4 or 0|7.

[sandspider]

Thanks for the reply.

     I'm glad you see merit in making the ash 0/4. The main reason I want this to happen is because at the moment, once a phoenix gets out, it is VERY hard to take it off of the board, and it is such a cheap creature! I believe this would affect the potency of the card, whatever the strategy being used was. 
Perhaps this can change in the next update?
*crosses fingers*

[Antagon]

phoenix is fine, as he is, eternal phoenix would be too easy with 0/3 or even 0/4, 0/7 seens just right, phoenix shouldnt be easy to get off the board, there are many other solutions, freeze it, basilisk blood, reverse it, etc.

[dracomageat]

I think you're missing the point antagon, no changes to the regular phoenix where ever suggested.

[MrBlonde]

I think you're missing the point antagon, no changes to the regular phoenix where ever suggested.

I believe he is just talking about the upped phoenix. Eternal phoenix only uses upped cards.

[Antagon]

I think you're missing the point antagon, no changes to the regular phoenix where ever suggested.

I believe he is just talking about the upped phoenix. Eternal phoenix only uses upped cards.

got it. its like i say "draco" or "blonde", some call me "Gon" or "Anta"

[sandspider]

Phoenix is fine as it is, its powers reflect its cost. I am suggesting that upgraded phoenix should be 0/4 ash. for 2 fire I can get a 4/1 which, when it dies becomes a 0/7. and can become a 4/1 again, if I dont do 7 damage to it the next turn, all 2 fire. This is too powerful in relation to its cost, which is why I suggest the card be changed.