Is this farmville or what???

[cokeandaspirin]

pyros, i been playing this game for some time now, and achieve almost everthing i can do "in game", but im still here playing.

I think the pvp aspect is just enough to make me forget that "boring" grinding (which i enjoy, that stupid ai is still fun and challenging for me). And which each update it became funnier to play against em, and also we could reformulate the way to beat em. Before the sundial nerfing i was using mono poison on them, then i turned to rainbow, and now with the new cards there is a huge variety of decks to use, u just need to be creative

Also u said that pvp is the great thing of this game, maybe u live in the other side of the world, or hav another name in chat, but i dont remember ever seen u in the chat looking for a game.

unfortunatly the game pvp button dont pair u with an equal guy or almost always u ended fighting against a rainbow deck of a guy who is making his way trough the game. but there is the chat where u can find people with actual pvp decks that are willing to play. where u will need to use your creativity to make a deck that works.

Also u can join any of the leagues(dont know in which one u fit) and make that your goal. or there are the tourneys too(and i assure u dont mind if u r elite or not u hav the same chances as everyone at this ones)

as for the grinding part think of it as a way to improve your pvp deck(if u wanna focus on the pvp aspect). if u need to buy food, you work for money , well grinding is the same u work hard to hav a reward that makes u get what u need

Kisses

♥Coke♥

[Scaredgirl]

me donating has nothing to do with the speed of development in this game. me giving 5-20 bucks doesnt make zanz code by himself any faster. nor does it give him any more inititive to do so.

Using that logic, we shouldn't vote either. I mean my single vote doesn't make any difference, right?

When you say money doesn't make Zanz code faster, you are simply wrong. Money is a big motivator. Not only can you buy stuff with it, but it is also a sign of respect for the work of Zanzarino who gave this game for us to play for FREE.

If Zanz made 1 million dollars per month from Elements, he would probably use a lot of time working on it. If he made zero dollars from Elements, he would close down the servers because he wouldn't be able to pay for them.

You are right about $5 not making a big difference, but those $5 add up when multiple people donate. If 200 people donate $5, that's $1000, which buys a lot of server space and computer parts.

and who is to say i havent already donated? and what does that have to do with anything whatsoever? and what do i get from donating? they took out the donate and get a card thang... so other than hey i like your game, here is some charity.... what is the point?

You have misunderstood the concept of donating. What you are talking about is "buying", not donating. When people donate they don't usually expect anything in return. I personally see donating as a way of supporting a great free game.

and if i want more cards, donate? are you serious? this game has been in development for how long and it only has 100-125 cards? with hundreds of card ideas posted by free playing members every day?

Elements has been around for less than 11 months, and has been developed by one person. If you take that into consideration, it's a remarkable feat.

Zanz has said that the majority of his time goes to taking care of hackers. That's right, all those asshole hackers are the main reason why we don't have 300+ cards already.

But I'm not worried. New stuff gets added every month and Elements is slowly but surely getting better and better. I for one plan on enjoying the ride instead of unleashing my nerd rage by starting threads like this one because I want everything right now. (and I'm not willing to pay for it).

[killsdazombies]

DAMN HACKORS any way if you dont like it heres my suggestion, leave for like 4 months then come back when there more stuff it will be just like a massive update and you can leave us alone.

[Zac33333]

This is why I posted my "Adventure Mode!" Idea, because I myself am TIRED of grinding and grinding and grinding to the point of where I have to QUIT playing elements for atleast 24 hours, otherwise I just explode D:

[Seravy]

In Elements, you can just change your deck,

That's the problem, you CAN'T.
1.False gods have so much advantage, only two or three different decks can beat them. So you are limited there. You either play time/entropy rainbow, or fractal-hope(the new deck, until fractal there was only one). All the other ones I know of are even worse than those two, and even playing these two means auto-quitting at least 3-4 (rainbow) or 5-6(fractal) gods because you don't even stand a chance. I don't see any other decks that can win consistently against gods. If we also add "in a reasonable time", because you have to win like 3-4 times before you actually win a card, it only leaves fractal, because rainbows are slow, especially the time mark version which has the better win percentages.
If there are any other decks that can with at least 70-90% of time against at least 75%of the gods, let me know, I don't know of any.
2. Changing decks means you need 30-60 NEW, UPGRADED cards. Which costs an hour of grinding PER CARD. It even makes things worse if you want to change decks, or let's say, experiment with new strategies instead of playing whatever you read is the best on the forum. Rares are not even included in this, but thanks to the rare farms, they are more common than upgraded cards now...they aren't even worthy of the name "rare" anymore, you can win like 10-20 of them in a single day.
3. If you play multiple decks, every time you want to play another one, it costs 100 electrum. Switching to your pvp deck from your false god deck when you are bored and then back a few games later costs 200...with like 20-40 electrum won per game, and the chance to lose the games (real opponents can be better than you), you might actually spend money on playing instead of earning it.

If this wasn't bad enough already, cards in the decks able to win get nerfed, and false gods are getting improved.

Anyway, I like the game, yet whenever I playing, I feel frustrated and ask myself "Why am I not quitting this boring game"...if you want your players to feel like that, go ahead. That's not the way to keep them playing on long term....they'll play more for short term because they are forced to have a chance against any opponent, but sooner or later they'll say "I've had enough" and quit.

Also grinding and PVP aren't mutually exclusive. You can make PVP the best way of grinding by adding better prizes than what you can win from CPU opponents. Beating a real player of equal skills is about 50-50% afterall, while the good false god decks have a higher win percentage than that, so I see nothing wrong with PVP giving you same or better rewards than false gods, as long as it only happens when playing an opponent of similar or higher score than you. Plus it would actually reward the better players more, making them stay playing longer because it would be worth being a better player.

participate in PVP tournaments

As soon as there is a "tournament game" button in the game, I'll use it. Signing up in advance, and reporting results in mail/chat, is not the way how it should be done IMHO.

this isnt a MMO, its a friggin CARD game

Exactly. I could have made a level 99 high priest and probably also a 99 high wizard for RO in the time I've wasted on this so far on any mid rate server, or I could have even made a 90+ character on an 1x rate one, which is more than enough for enjoyable playing. Too bad I'm already sick and tired of RO exactly because of all the time I spent on grinding on various servers. Games should consider that people want to play other games as well, if a single game takes up all your time and you can't play anything else, that's trouble....and of course anyone having a job instead of being a NEET/game addict has a huge disadvantage already. Is that really ok?

Every player vs player experience is different.  Focus on making that the center of your game, the grind all but disappears, and the fun only increases.

I completely agree on that. I can see myself playing some PVP matches every day, even if I can get all the cards for free. However with all the grinding and cost to change marks, plus the inferior PVP rewards, I'm actually discouraged to play PVP, even though that would be the main point. If I want to play card games alone, I can just install Yu-gi-Oh  Championships 200X whichever is the last one, and play it. The AI is just as stupid, but the game has like over 2000 cards, and you can play hundreds or thousands of good decks and strategies instead of being limited to only 2-3. Oh yeah, and the AI doesn't cheat there by drawing two cards, having double life, and thee marks. Still I'm playing this instead because it has PVP, yet I don't play PVP because it isn't giving enough rewards to compare to any other way of playing.

Maybe I should consider quitting seriously, I don't know.

[Jangoo]

and the negativity from the top people on this forum/game isnt going to help(if you need a example of this.. go look at the make a new FG voting thread. and ill rest my case there)..... instead of telling people... well. you can just leave. dont play this game anymore, THE MOMENT someone is critical about your game. your in a unique situation where you have a player base(even if its not huge) that is actually WILLING to tell you the problems with your game directly(as zanz is in chat probably 2 times a day), and without bias, and with ways to improve it. there are countless threads of bugs, card ideas, ideas to fix current issues, and even ideas to add new ones. there are even threads with cards with full art and description. and for the most part, they are constantly RIPPED APART by anyone who is popular, or has any type of say in this game. (ie: the 12 masters, and maybe the next 20 people who could take their place) if players constantly are getting ripped when they come up with ideas to improve a free game, with a small market, and a small player base..... they will just leave ... literally. you should listen instead of exile. ya dont have to implement everything everyone says, but to take it into account would be wise. you can tell them why it wont work, or cant work. or if you simply CANT code it.. but to completely destroy them is not the best option. your trying to get people to play, and donate... not make them leave. marketing 101 for you there.

Applause!!!

This should really be said at least once in just about any "meta"-thread.

Which brings me the question why Pyros for Porno hasn't received tons of anonymous scolding via the incredibly clientelistic Karma system yet ...
Bog him down already so any future comment, be it criticism or just a nice hello, bears the stigma for all to be seen.

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On topic:

Light-ages ago already, people have been posting their frustration about the grind as well as their intention to leave the game.
Light-ages ago already, they have more or less been shown the door the very instant ...
It's not ever going to change because while a total makeover of the gamedesign is definately possible, the lobby of top-players who have spent a significant portion of their life with grinding Elements is way too strong.

I posted a very similiar "comlaint" several months ago and suggested that Elements should stay/become a "smart" game for smart people instead of a dull grinder in favour of no-life-gamers ... I would envision a game design like chess (or mario-kart for that matter), where anyone who wants will receive a fully upped set of stones if only he enjoys pvp-ing (or whatever any quest-scheme could encourage you to do).
Contrary to that, pvp-leagues are totally NOT booming currently ... the new cards simply thrust players into a new round of grinding "until they are ready" ... which is of course never really going to happen.

The abovementioned top-gamers imho have lost touch with the (bottom 95% of elements gamers) reality and vastly underestimate the problems this grind-focus does and further will cause for the game and its community.

[Hobnob5000]

You complain about FGs being too hard. Sorry, but the games hardest difficulty isn't exactly meant to be easy. A game which is really easy even on the hardest difficulty is, in my opinion, a failed game. Think about it. Life is boring without any challenge. If you were omnipotent, you'd get bored being able to do everything. The point of a game is to challenge you, push you to the limits of your abilities, where only someone who is skilled can get through. As Winston Churchill said: "nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result." You're succeeding in not being shot, bringing the feeling of exhilaration.
There are multiple ways of beating FGs, most of them haven't been discovered yet probably. Adrena-druidic staffs is beastly against Divine Glory, and that wasn't in your exhausted list of FG defeating decks. Auto-quitting is your choice, When I play Rainbow (The FG) with my Rainbow deck, I often win. I used to always auto-quit him, and never got any variety in my FGs. If you auto-quit every FG that has some decent challenge in it, you're missing out on half the game. No deck that I know of can win 90% of the time against FGs, as every deck has weaknesses. Thats part of the fun, trying to predict the next FG, and choosing the right deck.

You complain about being forced to spend loads of money changing deck just to see if a strategy would work. Theres something called the trainer for that: elementsthegame.com/trainer.html
Infinite money for you to test decks, being able to buy rares from the bazaar, what could be better?
If your strategy works, you can sell your old upgraded deck, and you'll be well on your way to getting a decent deck.
You complain about grinding, how it takes too long, and then you complain about how easy it is to get rares. Who's side are you on?

Switching deck marks may be quite a hefty cost, but if you grind for more than 5-10 minutes, you should already be able to afford the new mark. Grinding level 3s should take 1 minute per game, and you'll get on average 18-19 quantum per game, depending on how well you do and how good the deck is. Thats not too long is it?

You say the better player should be rewarded more for beating a newb than vice versa. Thats going to be really fair on the new people. "Congratulations, you beat someone with 100000 more score than you, but you only get a really small reward." I know I wouldn't want that when I start up, I might have left, meaning Elements would turn into a society of high-level players, with no balance.

No tournament button? Sorry, but tournaments have to be organised. The World Cup teams don't just go "I know, lets play a big tournament of football to see who's the best team. Lets start now, without any thought into who faces who, and how the points system will work." No.

You don't have to become a game addict. It's called Prioritising. Do important stuff like work, eating, toilet, etc first, and recreation after. It's ok to have a break in between too, but if your spending all day on this, it's slightly unhealthy.

Yu-gi-oh games may have well over 2000 cards, and for you, the gameplay may be much better. But now consider how many people work on the Yu-gi-oh games. Probably a team of 50 programmers, 20 artists, 30 idea people, and a whole lot more people. Now lets count how many people work for Elements. Well there's Zanzarino, and chriskang does some work sometimes I think. And maybe 5 graphic artists or so. And theres... oh wait. That's it. I think that there being 125 or whatever the amount of cards there is is ASTONISHING considering the game has been out for less than a year. Compare that to your Yugioh, with 100 times the workforce, and 10 times the duration. Maybe you should try contributing towards the game rather than ranting away saying other series are better.

And one more thing, saying that the FGs cheat with double draw, double health and triple mark is just the same as saying that people who use the juggernaut perk on Call of Duty 4 are cheating as well.

Happy quitting!

[Wisemage]

Dude you need to calm the hell down.  The game isnt about only FGs.  there is pvp also, and getting a new deck doesn't mean all upgrades. 

You are under the disillusion that you need all upgrades to play a deck. You don't.

[Hobnob5000]

Dude you need to calm the hell down.  The game isnt about only FGs.  there is pvp also, and getting a new deck doesn't mean all upgrades. 

You are under the disillusion that you need all upgrades to play a deck. You don't.

Are you talking to me or him

[Wisemage]

Him obviously, since we kind of share the same view.

[Hobnob5000]

Him obviously, since we kind of share the same view.

Oh, that's a relief

[madkidowen]

^{If u guys are all so pissed off by boring grinding}_{Make it fun!!!}  make a really fun deck to use. use strategys that make u fell proud for using a good strategy of your own and not some pro deck with all the upgraded cards

P.S. Use the Trainer        http://www.elementsthegame.com/trainer.html
P.P.S "Don't spend your life trying to find, something thats infront of your eyes"  -  Chipmunk


P.P.P.S  the P.P.S will be my quote