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Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg536209#msg536209
« on: August 24, 2012, 05:25:53 pm »
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that the 6  :electrum reward is too small for bronze league. Since the cost of a loss is 20 :electrum this means that there is a large relative risk for playing bronze league. Even if you score a win with elemental mastery, you still can't recoup the cost of a loss. Further, since most bronze decks will not have a lot of rares, upgrades, etc. yet due to being so new, there is little additional incentive to play. This is a major deterrent. For me the league may as well not exist since it simply doesn't seem worth the effort to play.

As it stands now, the only real reason to play in bronze would be to grind down on lesser decks with a powerful high end one in order to get the special spin... that seems a little backwards to me... At that rate I may as well do silver though since they tend to have more nice cards, the payout for wins is good, and with an upgraded high end deck, its not that much more difficult, and it takes fewer wins to get the special spin.

The bronze league should be a way for players just starting out to get some experience playing against decks other than the same old AI's and to see strategies that others are using. Unfortunately, with the current cost to reward level, this just isn't the case. Raising the :electrum reward to something more reasonable would go a long way to doing that.
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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg536293#msg536293
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 10:47:37 pm »
You grind bronze for fun/cards/rares, not for electrum.

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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg536319#msg536319
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 11:49:36 pm »
I understand that, but it still seems like a ridiculously low reward - cost ratio.
Consider comparing it to the other arena levels:
Raw pay out ratios (level gap):
Bronze$/Silver$ = 6/68 = .088
Silver$/Gold$ = 148/68 = .45
Gold$/Plat$ = 194 / 148 = .76

Cost To reward Ratios:
Bronze: 6 / 20 =.3
Silver: 68 / 20 = 3.4
Gold: 148 / 20 =7.4
Plat: 194 / 20 = 9.7

Thats a pretty big drop in the reward from bronze to silver. Anything below 1 would mean its not good for grinding :electrum ... below .5 is really quite bad though. A rate that low means that you have to be using a deck so good that you really should be playing silver league anyway, or else you will be burining money quicker than a frog on adrenaline burns hp against a fireshield.
Its not really that much fun if your deck is so good there's no contest and its also no fun to lose all your money if try playing with a lesser deck for greater challenge.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 11:54:58 pm by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg536320#msg536320
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 11:54:37 pm »
From what I understand, the league electrum is calculated from how well they fare against people who play them overall. Given that bronze is the easiest and also filled with newer players, I'm not surprised that it's so low. To increase the electrum, you'd need to teach people how to make better decks in general, which is harder than it would sound since not everyone is here. It's also typically upped decks against bronze, making them harder to counter effectively.
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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg536321#msg536321
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2012, 12:02:01 am »
... Interesting... it now reads 9 :electrum... still a little under 1/2 but definitely better than 6 like before.
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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg536589#msg536589
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2012, 10:15:39 pm »
We once had 0, iirc. And gold rewards higher than platinum (when we needed more consecutive victories).
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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg540716#msg540716
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 05:54:20 am »
I'm probably just repeating what Furball has said but the bronze league is for rares, if you want  :electrum and dont have a deck for grinding silver, try PVP1.

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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg540728#msg540728
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 07:30:42 am »
I'm probably just repeating what Furball has said but the bronze league is for rares, if you want  :electrum and dont have a deck for grinding silver, try PVP1.
Even so, Odin is right, a small increase of, let's say, 5 :electrum in Bronze League's reward would really help Bronze to gain the attention it deserves. :)
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Re: Increase electrum reward on Bronze League https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43029.msg540801#msg540801
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 03:38:24 pm »
I'd like to point out that you win quite a few cards from bronze. A lot of dragons, mono-aether, mono-life, etc. That's what gives bronze value if you have a lot besides rares.
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