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Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447148#msg447148
« on: January 09, 2012, 01:30:39 am »
Immaterial: [This creature] can not be target of spell or abilities.

If can't be target of spell or abilities. It should work JUST like that and it would be already pretty good. Mass effects like plague and fire storm, which do NOT target the creature should work normally on them.

It would be more intuitive, would make those cards much more ballanced and would likely increase the diversity of decks out there, besides boring old mono aether >.<.

PS: I know shields already work, but thats not my point.

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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447150#msg447150
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 01:34:31 am »
Uh, why should mass effect cards work on them? Mass effect cards work by just targeting every single target-able creature.

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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447152#msg447152
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 01:44:17 am »
So you want it to be like hexproof  ;)

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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447154#msg447154
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2012, 01:48:07 am »
So you want it to be like hexproof  ;)
No, he wants it to be like how in M:tG you can play a Wrath of God or Nevinyrral's Disk and they will kill shrouded creatures.  I thought the same thing as SomeOne when I started, that it seemed illogical that firestorm, pandemonium, plague, etc did not work on immaterial creatures, but that's simply how it is in this game; it's just different than many other CCGs in that respect.

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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447155#msg447155
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 01:51:02 am »
MtG is a good example in that it has both Targeting and NonTargeting mass creature control. Shroud (that games equivalent to immaterial) prevents Targeting mass CC but not NonTargeting mass CC.

Aka
Immaterial blocks Targeting mass CC like Firestorm
but
Immaterial does not block NonTargeting mass CC like Shields.
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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447159#msg447159
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2012, 02:17:22 am »
This likely has to do with the way the game is coded.

Rain of Fire, Pandemonium, Thunderstorm, Flooding, Plague, etc. all select appropriate targets and apply their effects one at a time instead of all at once. Because of the way that the 'targeting' works, Immaterial creatures are immune to mass-CC.

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Immaterial blocks Targeting mass CC like Firestorm
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Immaterial does not block NonTargeting mass CC like Shields or Flooding.
Flooding activation is targeted on a slot-by-slot basis.
Shield effect activation is probably applied as a "When a creature attacks, apply X effect to it Y% of the time" effect.
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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447163#msg447163
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 02:31:39 am »
Flooding activation is targeted on a slot-by-slot basis.
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Re: Immaterial working the way it should https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35533.msg447168#msg447168
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2012, 02:35:43 am »
This likely has to do with the way the game is coded.

Rain of Fire, Pandemonium, Thunderstorm, Flooding, Plague, etc. all select appropriate targets and apply their effects one at a time instead of all at once. Because of the way that the 'targeting' works, Immaterial creatures are immune to mass-CC.
Wrong.

Those spells do not affect immaterial targets because when the game loops through creatures to deal damage/poison them, it specifically makes sure the creature is not immaterial. In other words, Zanzarino wanted them to not affect immaterial creatures. If he wanted to make, for example, Thunderstorm affect immaterial creatures, he could (though that would be bad for consistency).
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