Get rid of "uber" rarity for marks.

[Uppercut]

Oddly enough the one time wasn't me. I don't even know if its ever happened. Its the principle that it could happen.

[ZephyrPhantom]

I suppose we could just argue with you.  Then again, I suppose if we give you some time to calm down and rationalize a bit, you'll be fine.

I don't have the authority to topic lock or anything but I suggest that anybody else the comes here to not prolong the argument.  Just let Uppercut chill a bit.

[Kamietsu]

Your argument is a very poor one. I could pull the same argument you are using with Nymphs, rare cards, or even upgraded cards. That gap you are talking about is nonexistent because if it only affect 1 in 100 games, that's not a noticeable gap. I can only interpret this thread as you having been scorned by a mark card in some way. maybe you were one away from winning a tournament, or you played a quanta denial/lock down deck in PvP and one person had a mark card and made it so your strategy worked just a little bit less, but they ultimately ended up winning. This is the very first thread I have ever seen about mark cards and their uber rarity being any sort of problem. Other threads about  it might exist, but they are extremely rare. The main point is that mark cards offer such a small advantage there almost isn't one, so why make them less rare when they are just useful for boasting?

[Uppercut]

Your argument is a very poor one. I could pull the same argument you are using with Nymphs, rare cards, or even upgraded cards. That gap you are talking about is nonexistent because if it only affect 1 in 100 games, that's not a noticeable gap.

No you couldn't. The problem isn't that the card is merely rare, its that the only way to recieve one is so ridiculous that statistically only a small amount of players will ever get one. On the other hand winning nymphs is inevitable and grinding t50 will likely get you shards. However just 1 player a week will ever get a mark (with the exception of other events), and the fact that the mark has some useful functionality (albeit narrow) means that they create a gap that likely will never be filled.

I can only interpret this thread as you having been scorned by a mark card in some way. maybe you were one away from winning a tournament, or you played a quanta denial/lock down deck in PvP and one person had a mark card and made it so your strategy worked just a little bit less, but they ultimately ended up winning.

What? The only time I've ever seen a mark played is a relic farm.

This is the very first thread I have ever seen about mark cards and their uber rarity being any sort of problem. Other threads about  it might exist, but they are extremely rare. The main point is that mark cards offer such a small advantage there almost isn't one, so why make them less rare when they are just useful for boasting?

Any advantage given to such a small amount of players with no other players being capable of getting those advantages except for to directly compete with players who already have that advantage is a terrible idea.

[Seiya]

This is what I heard

"I dont like marks. I dont have any. Since I dont have any, and dont want to take the time to participate in tournaments to get some, they are unfair."

Thats funny considering I've participated in a few and haven't seen you in any of them.

I'll reiterate my point. No, people who win tournaments shouldn't get some special cards for it that aren't atainable otherwise. This creates a gap between people who have won tournaments and those who haven't, and a small subset of people having deck building options others don't have access to is ridiculous.

Pillars and marks aren't the same because they take up different slots yet act the same. This means that its functionally better to split your pillars and marks with the exception of when the mark matches your own and then its better to run more marks because they're untargetable.

I don't know if you understand the difficulty in attaining enough marks of your element to make it unfair.  Calm down.

[Uppercut]

I don't know if you understand the difficulty in attaining enough marks of your element to make it unfair.  Calm down.

Yes I do. Winning a single tournament is all it takes for it to become unfair. If they were readily available it wouldn't be unfair. Seems like the solution is to make it easier to get.

[ZephyrPhantom]

*sigh*   Do you even realize why people are still arguing with you? Have you loked through their eyes and thought about what they might be trying to tell you as they type to to you? Come on, calm down. 

[Kamietsu]

Having mark cards makes nothing unfair because they don't offer a big enough advantage to be unfair. One person having one card that is an alternate of a card already in existence is not an advantage. Next you will be complaining that people with foil Chimeras have an unfair advantage because not everyone can donate money to the game in order to get one.

I, and several others, have pointed out why you are wrong about several different points but your mind will not be changed. This is a hopeless and now pointless topics because it is no longer about discussion but instead attempting to convince everyone why you are completely right.

[Uppercut]

*sigh*   Do you even realize why people are still arguing with you? Have you loked through their eyes and thought about what they might be trying to tell you as they type to to you? Come on, calm down.

Yes, why wouldn't I have? I started this thread to discuss something I believed to be an issue when I opened it and even after discussing it for 3 pages still believe to be an issue.

Why do you think I need to calm down? I'm not spazzing out over some internet game. I'm simply requesting for it to be made more fair.

Edit:

Having mark cards makes nothing unfair because they don't offer a big enough advantage to be unfair. One person having one card that is an alternate of a card already in existence is not an advantage. Next you will be complaining that people with foil Chimeras have an unfair advantage because not everyone can donate money to the game in order to get one.

Foil chimera and mark are not comparable. I already explained why. Any advantage is bad in this case.

I, and several others, have pointed out why you are wrong about several different points but your mind will not be changed. This is a hopeless and now pointless topics because it is no longer about discussion but instead attempting to convince everyone why you are completely right.

As far as I can tell thats how conversation works. You're trying to convince my why you're right, what you're doing is no different than what I'm doing.

[thatnewguy]

Fair makes all cards equal. All equal cards = boring. Boring game = bye bye community. "fair" is just not here due to it being exciting

[Uppercut]

Fair makes all cards equal. All equal cards = boring. Boring game = bye bye community. "fair" is just not here due to it being exciting

I'm not saying all cards should be equal, I'm saying all cards should be obtainable. Lets assume only 1 person wins a nymph a day (this is actually not true at all), but only 1 person wins a mark a week (this is close to accurate. There are events that make this not quite true). It would still mean there are 7x the amount of people with nymphs than with marks. The truth is its actually worse than that.

[icecoldbro]

I have a mark card so what?
it doesnt give me any advantage, its just bragging rights nothing else