Game now too difficult for new players?

[Mithcairion]

I think rares are actually easier to come by now... a simple grabbix can grab you up to 95% win rate in bronze
you can farm rares like no other like that...

back in the T50 days, we had to post in the T50 thread, beg (not really, but you get the point ) players to put up farms for desired rare, and then go crack for hours to get 12 copies of the rare we want (it takes a long time, because you have to fight that specific guy...)

No, it definitely takes longer now.  At best you have to win 3 matches in a row to have the chance to win ONE (albeit upgraded) rare, as opposed to having a decent chance to face a farm in T50 where you could win up to 3 every match with no resistance at all.  In both cases, you may not get the one you want (took me almost a full year to get those last three unupped Eternities), but the very fact that it takes longer just to have access to the rare spin makes a big, although not insurmountable, difference.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

well, either way, it makes me feel good, that I spent the time to get 12 of every rare months back

[Pineapple]

I have to say that rare-farming is indeed easier, while electrum gain in bronze is painstakingly slow.
Again, this has nothing to do with this game being "harder" for "new players."

[Zuphix]

The thing is, you veterans aren't thinking in the terms of a new player who has no idea how to play the game. When I first started I'd never played any card games before, except for Crazy Eights or BS. I don't think I was successful until I came to the forums and looked at the "get rich quick" decks. And once in a while I hear there are a lot of people that don't ever go to the forums. You guys already knew what you were doing when you started a new account, many newer players don't.

This is exactly as I understand it, I could've easily made us rainbow decks, but that just points everyone in one direction. If players are expected to make rainbow decks to go anywhere, where does that take the game? new players should be encouraged to make mono/duo decks imo, and be given card rewards for it. Rares aren't any rarer than before, it's just harder for new players to catch up with the older ones.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

another thing, new players should still be farming AI3 and FG before really farm too much arena for rares and fun...
just my thoughts...

since AI3 and FG didn't change much, I don't think the game stage for newer players would be harder

[bucky1andonly]

Not only are rares easier to get now, but the fact that people don't understand that you will not get what you need in a matter of minutes astounds me.  You must grind for many hours to get what you want, many people have spent too many hours grinding AI3, oh and you can win weapons from them now too, unlike before, so all those people that spent so many hours grinding AI3 missed out on that.  Don't hop into the arena right away expecting to win, it is hard and does not need to be easier just to let new players win cards faster.  You won't have every card from the shop in a week, probably not even in a month, and you must grind AI3 for a long time before you will be ready for more.  It was done in the past and it should be done now instead of changing things for new players.

[Zuphix]

we grinded AI3 enough to get decks as good as they can possibly be without upgrades, or more than one rare. AI3 has always given weapons (at least since the time I started over a year ago). I just thought that players weren't expected to grind AI3 for 45k before they are allowed to win in the arena.

You are looking at the other extreme, expecting we played just minutes, and that we expected to have everything. We did play for hours and we barely got one decent deck each.

[bucky1andonly]

grind AI3 to upgrade cards to make an upgraded deck, that is how a lot of people did it.

[Zuphix]

I've already done it, I have my upgraded farming decks. I'm just a thoughtful person and am speaking on behalf of players who are having a hard time atm. The game used to increase in difficulty at a slightly slower pace, now it Jumps up after you can beat AI3 consistently. Farming AI3 for an upgraded deck costs 45k electrum, and with the fastest dec (upgraded) that takes roughly 25 hours of play time, new players won't have an upgraded deck, and it won't be an extremely fast one either.

[bucky1andonly]

25 hours game time, thats it?  I think it should take longer, grinding is part of the game, things won't handed out to new players, they must work for them like everyone else has.

[Hodari]

I've already done it, I have my upgraded farming decks. I'm just a thoughtful person and am speaking on behalf of players who are having a hard time atm. The game used to increase in difficulty at a slightly slower pace, now it Jumps up after you can beat AI3 consistently. Farming AI3 for an upgraded deck costs 45k electrum, and with the fastest dec (upgraded) that takes roughly 25 hours of play time, new players won't have an upgraded deck, and it won't be an extremely fast one either.

So don't rely on AI3 all the way for it...
Who says you need a fully upped deck to fight FGs?  Especially with the oracle prediction each day, even a fully UNupped deck can win enough to be somewhat profitable.  Once you get a few key cards upped like Supernova or RoL, you can farm them for upped cards much faster. Not to mention those same FGs also have a decent chance for the rares as well.   If I remember right, when I first started, it might have taken me a week or 2 at most to get to this stage.  Before then, new players probably aren't really ready for more advanced challenges anyway, no matter what cards they have.  They need to learn some basics of how the game works and strategy first anyway, so this doesn't seem to unreasonable.  And in some ways, this is one of the more rewarding stages of the game when you actually feel like you're accomplishing something compared to later on when you're mindlessly grinding away to up your 6th different deck.

[Essence]

Who says you need a fully upped deck to fight FGs?  Especially with the oracle prediction each day, even a fully UNupped deck can win enough to be somewhat profitable.

^^ This.  My newb accounts regularly start winning upped cards on Day 3 or 4 purely because the Oracle will give me an FG I can beat with cheap, easy deck like Liquid Antimatter or MonoAether.