Game now too difficult for new players?

[Zuphix]

I started a new account, to help one of my friends start playing, and when we got 500 score for the first rare, we were stuck grinding AI 3, before the arena was implemented; we'd still have a fair chance at winning Top50, and spinning rares even if it wasn't from a farm. Now we have arena, the easiest of them Bronze is harder than Top50 was. With only one rare, which may have been a poor choice, I'm finding it hard get a deck for new players which can beat anything higher than AI3 (unupgraded, one rare). The Bronze win rateis less than 50%, and the rare spin rate is much lower because of it. Our best shot is 6 wins in a row, and with less than 50% for one win, doesn't look like it will happen.

The only thing I can think of that won't imbalance it, but still makes it easier is to not allow bronze decks to spend points in upgraded cards, so the only advantageBronze decks have over new players' decks is the hit points.

I'm sure there's many people who don't agree with any of this, but it's late and I may have not made it sound the way it should.

[Jaymanfu]

Ya, ive been helping my friend also who likes the arena a lot but can't seem to do very well in it. I think that 6 wins for a rare would be ok if the lights didn't reset in bronze, it would still be about the same timer for people with better stronger decks but it would be easier for newer players to get there rares (winning against 6 random decks can be very hard esp since bronze players can have 200 hps, lots of ups etc)

Anyways yes Id like to see bronze just be 6 wins total, and not in a row.

[Mithcairion]

One thing I would like to point out is that Zanz has said for some time that he wanted rares to be rare again and that is why he went from T50 to the Arena.  Rares are supposed to be difficult to come by, in his vision.  That being said, I can certainly see what you mean about it being more difficult to get the rares than it was.  My best advice I can give is to make a surefire AI3 grinder and have at it.  It may not be as efficient as we were used to, but "it is what it is", as the saying goes.

[Toge111]

My best advice I can give is to make a surefire AI3 grinder and have at it.

- I second this advice and recommend TADAbow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22518.0) for AI3 grinding. Just build the deck unupped first, then upgrade novas, quantum towers and critters in this order. Upgrading this deck also allows easy transition to False God beating.

[Essence]

Really?  I've found that it's pretty trivial to start a new account, choose the Darkness starter, sell everything and buy a basic rainbow and then ace Bronze endlessly.  I got my first rarespin at 28 score with this beast:

by Essence

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All of that was put together out of the Darkness starter and the first four quests. 

[Mithcairion]

Really?  I've found that it's pretty trivial to start a new account, choose the Darkness starter, sell everything and buy a basic rainbow and then ace Bronze endlessly.  I got my first rarespin at 28 score with this beast:

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All of that was put together out of the Darkness starter and the first four quests. 

To be fair, Essence, you're not exactly the = of many in the community, let alone someone just starting out

[ddevans96]

My alt account has an immospirit and a novabow with less than 200 score. It's not very difficult to make a rainbow rush early in the game if you choose darkness or fire.

[Selvaria]

I use something like this when I just started.

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[Camoninja]

The thing is, you veterans aren't thinking in the terms of a new player who has no idea how to play the game. When I first started I'd never played any card games before, except for Crazy Eights or BS. I don't think I was successful until I came to the forums and looked at the "get rich quick" decks. And once in a while I hear there are a lot of people that don't ever go to the forums. You guys already knew what you were doing when you started a new account, many newer players don't.

[Pineapple]

It was just as difficult for new players to get a hold of the game then. The transition between T50 and Arena hasn't changed anything about how hard it is for newbies to metagame.

[Camoninja]

You could say now there's a challenge to get rare cards, because there's no more farms, and no arena farming decks are going to last very long before people adapt to them with their own. But then they are supposed to be rare.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

I think rares are actually easier to come by now... a simple grabbix can grab you up to 95% win rate in bronze
you can farm rares like no other like that...

back in the T50 days, we had to post in the T50 thread, beg (not really, but you get the point ) players to put up farms for desired rare, and then go crack for hours to get 12 copies of the rare we want (it takes a long time, because you have to fight that specific guy...)