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Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454453#msg454453
« on: January 29, 2012, 06:22:12 pm »
i was thinking this 2 cards might need to be changed in order to balance the game

there is a reason this 2 cards are considered some of the most game-breaking ones

so what i suggest is: limit the amount of copies that can be generated trough this 2 cards:

Fractal can only create up to 6 copies of the card
Nightmare can only create up to 6 copies of the card

these nerfs dont make fractal based decks useless, and the same can be said to nightmare based ones, like ghostmare
but it does balance out the cards imo overall

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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454466#msg454466
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 06:42:12 pm »
i was thinking this 2 cards might need to be changed in order to balance the game

there is a reason this 2 cards are considered some of the most game-breaking ones

so what i suggest is: limit the amount of copies that can be generated trough this 2 cards:

Fractal can only create up to 6 copies of the card
Nightmare can only create up to 6 copies of the card

these nerfs dont make fractal based decks useless, and the same can be said to nightmare based ones, like ghostmare
but it does balance out the cards imo overall
Crazy, nightmare doesn't need the nerf. Maybe fractal, but not nightmare.
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454473#msg454473
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 06:52:17 pm »
Heh, I use Nightmare WAY more than I use Fractal, because of the casting costs.  I'd argue that Nightmare is the better card of the two.

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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454481#msg454481
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 07:03:54 pm »
Nightmare has been made to lock the oponents turn, so making it up to 6 cards desintegrates the basic idea of the card. Also, it is NOT a powerful card unless it's played in a ghostmare or with sparks and lots of   :death stuff.

Fractal has already been nerfed, being from awsome 9|8  :aether to 10|9  :aether. Considering that the player who playes Fractal doesn't have a big  :aether quanta pool, the nerf makes the deck delay the Fractal 1 turn.

Those nerfs are NOT needed, what is needed is a bunch of more powerful cards.
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454485#msg454485
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 07:10:11 pm »
Imo, the only one of the two that MIGHT need a nerf is Nightmare, but that would just be a small cost increase. But, imo, both cards are fine as is.

Also, please post this in the appropriate "Nerf This Card!" section
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454487#msg454487
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 07:11:31 pm »
Imo, the only one of the two that MIGHT need a nerf is Nightmare, but that would just be a small cost increase. But, imo, both cards are fine as is.

Also, please post this in the appropriate "Nerf This Card!" section
i was gonna put it there, but since we are talking about 2 cards, i was not sure :P

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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454490#msg454490
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 07:19:13 pm »
Imo, the only one of the two that MIGHT need a nerf is Nightmare, but that would just be a small cost increase. But, imo, both cards are fine as is.

Also, please post this in the appropriate "Nerf This Card!" section
i was gonna put it there, but since we are talking about 2 cards, i was not sure :P
Then you can make a new post for each card there. I am sure there is one about Fractal, just comment on it.
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454499#msg454499
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 07:44:46 pm »
Heh, I use Fractal WAY more than I use Nightmare, because of the better effect.  I'd argue that Fractal is the better card of the two.
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454540#msg454540
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 10:03:30 pm »
Heh, I use Fractal WAY more than I use Nightmare, because of the better effect.  I'd argue that Fractal is the better card of the two.
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454566#msg454566
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 11:52:53 pm »
Ach!  I have been misquoted!  :))  It's all good, though; I take it in the spirit in which it was posted.

Even if Fractal is a better card than Nightmare, there's no arguing the fact that I've used Nightmare more often.  There's no question Fractal is a good card in the right circumstance (team time ghostal ftw) but there are a lot of ways to beat it.  A card like Discord really messes it up, because it takes longer to get the fractal off and leaves you with less quanta to play what you do get. (and makes your hand more clogged beforehand due to quanta screw, so less copies)  Nightmare is also a good counter to Fractal, since you'll have a handful of (probably) unplayable creatures, and with 1 :darkness to 9 :aether, your opponent WILL nightmare you first 99% of the time.  Actually, pretty much any denial strategy hurts fractal bad. 

Nightmare has counters, too, like sanctuary (but darkness has steal to take care of that problem) and the opponent can hold back cards in hand to minimize its effectiveness.  The problem with that strategy is it hurts your entire game.  It's like when people say earthquake is balanced (it's not, it's OP but that's another thread :p) because you can hold back pillars in hand; yes you can, but if you hold them back, or have to play them one or two at a time to play around earthquake, you're still taking a giant tempo hit up the arse.

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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454753#msg454753
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 12:38:38 pm »
Heh, I use Fractal WAY more than I use Nightmare, because of the better effect.  I'd argue that Fractal is the better card of the two.
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Re: Fractal & Nightmare nerf https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36122.msg454825#msg454825
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 04:26:23 pm »
I find it funny that nightmare is now considered OP.  I remember before people were saying it was UP.  Then it was buffed...to drain some life.  Oh, and ghost was added to the game.

 

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