Downgrading

[Kurohami]

@SG, I would say downgrading shouldn't refund you the money you invested, and rather it should cost additional coins, so the issue you are talking about with downgrading a card to upgrade another no longer exists.

[PuppyChow]

Here's my take on this:

You should be able to downgrade rares and rares only. Downgrading would give you the sell price of the upgraded rare minus the sell price of the unupgraded rare.

That way us vets that want to use a rare card in unupped tournaments or something else unupped can do so (for a price).

Much less useful for most people, but like SG said, things you do in game should have consequences.

Thinking about it, downgrading for other cards could be an option too. It would give you the sell price of the upgraded card minus the buy price of the unupgraded card. So basically it would be the same as selling the upped card and buying the unupped card, just with a single click of the button. Aka a time saver, not a money saver.

[Kurohami]

I concur entirely with Puppychow, although I'm not really a vet I could still find downgrading rares useful sometimes.

[Antagon]

i agree with that too, that it should use electrum to downgrade

[Ashebrethafe]

I must be in the minority because I don't like the idea of downgrading.

I think actions in games must have consequences without having a way out. I like Elements because you really have to think what card your should upgrade. If you could just downgrade it and upgrade something else, the whole process of finding the most important card to upgrade would be meaningless.

This is similar to a "buy back" option that many games have (which I also hate). It's all too easy mode for me. You upgraded a wrong card? Too bad. Maybe your learned something.

I don't see anyone suggesting that you should get the entire 1500 electrum back when downgrading, so there's already the consequence of losing electrum. And since we can already sell cards, why shouldn't we be able to sell upgrades?

If you think downgrading would make the game too easy, then you wouldn't have to use it. (Nor would you necessarily have to compete against those of us who do. There could be two high-score lists, one of which only players with no downgraded cards could submit scores to, and an option to prevent players with downgraded cards from PvPing players with no downgraded cards.)

Actually, the sell price is 75% of the buy price, rounded down. (I remember SG said that somewhere)

Do you remember what the current version was when SG said that? I think the system must have been changed later, as almost none of the prices I've recorded agree with this...

I remember talking about this but I have no idea what I said earlier, and whether the price has changed or not since.

What I do know is that right now the selling price of a card is about 68% of the buying price, give or take 1%.

Yes, this is more like it. The selling price minus 68% of the buying price varies from -1.28 for Immolation to 2.56 for Golden Dragon, and is zero for cards with buy price 25 and sell price 17.

I'd still like to know if there are any non-rare cards for which the buy price minus the sell price is not 2, 8, 18 or 32. (Since my earlier post, I found out that the difference is 2 not only for pillars, but also for skeletons -- buy 7, sell 5.)

i agree with that too, that it should use electrum to downgrade

PuppyChow isn't saying it should cost electrum to downgrade. He's basically saying that a player should be able to sell an upped rare and immediately buy the unupped version -- except that since no buy price is listed for rares, he's assuming the buy price would be equal to the sell price.

[Xinef]

Downgrading cards would probably have a number of uses that are not really about 'undoing the upgrade to upgrade something else'.
Eg. in previous versions unupgraded lobotomizer could not be won from AI3, while all the other rare weapons could. Thus it was harder to get (I guess, I still don't have one)... so a possibility to downgrade one won from false gods would make it more possible to have an unupgraded one for tournaments. Ok, right now it can be won from AI3, and earlier it was possible to win it from AI2/top50/PvP, but in the future some other card might be in a similar situation and be less popular in PvP.
I also remember seeing a number of threads 'how can I downgrade a mark?' because people did not know what are the results of upgrading it... and if they did not know, then I don't think they deserve to 'suffer the consequences of their decision'. As far as I remember these people had their mark downgraded by Zanz directly, so adding it as a feature would only save Zanz from 'manual labor'

So I think a downgrade feature should exist, and I'd say it would be best if you neither received nor paid electrum for it, though its only my opinion.

[Antagon]

at least it should be mentioned in some way next poll

[Justsoneguy]

I don't agree with downgrading cards either.  I think there's a reason as to why there's both unupped and upped tournaments.  If you upgraded your nymph, then enjoy the added bonus and stop trying to run game on both tournaments.

I don't see any other point to downgrading a card.  Be happy with the nymph(s) you already have and the extra spins over new players.  This game is getting harder for new players.  Thankfully I started playing a long time ago.  If I were to say I only found out about this game recently, I'm not sure if I would be still playing.

[Kurohami]

I don't understand your argument here, why do you not want people to be able to downgrade rares to participate in none upgraded tournaments? So the players who played longer and had their rares upped would not be able to play rares for unupped tournaments? Older players have upgraded cards, that's an advantage over new players, but if they are not able to downgrade their rares to participate in tournaments that's not fair to them. Not using their upgraded cards is already hurting the old players enough, not able to downgrade rares is not fair at all.

[Justsoneguy]

I'm sure a lot of players would like to play in upped tournaments but they can't simply because they don't have enough upped cards to play, especially with all the rule variants. The older players can enjoy this extra benefit over new players.

If you have enough cards to play in an upped tournament, most likely the only rares you don't have are 12 of each nymph.  I think this proposal is mainly for those that want to use unupped and upped nymphs in both tournaments, which I don't agree with.

[PuppyChow]

I think this proposal is mainly for those that want to use unupped and upped nymphs in both tournaments, which I don't agree with.

Actually, I stopped farming rares once I had 6 of each. I only have 1 unupped eternity, for instance.

And I don't see why you shouldn't agree with that. Unupped tournaments are supposed to be a level playing field. If player A has an unupped nymph and player B has an upped nymph but can't use it because it's upped, its giving a handicap to player A. Thus making the playing field uneven.

Just because upped tournaments aren't level doesn't mean unupped shouldn't be.

[Downsociety]

I like this idea. but i think it should be completely free seeing as though your throwing away your cards value in the first place. might come in handy in certain situations.

but instead of getting 1500 back, you should get like 800 back. at least yopu still keep the card