Devourers's Quanta Drain is messed up

[geekz_always_win]

I run a Mono-Earth Shrieker rush completely upped in T50, and I have a SERIOUS problem with devourers.

Simply put, one or two devourers shut me down. Because the quanta drain is so messed up. When I have 11 Earth quanta and 1 time quanta, I ALWAYS get it drained? WTF? The drain should be by the numbers, not the element. IT should not be a one in two chance to drain those when there is one devourer, but a 11/12 chance. That seriously annoys me.

I'm pretty sure that the above listed method is the current one, by each of the twelve elements, not by the number. I know that devourers were sort of made to hurt monos, but one or two devourers screwing me is ridiculous.

[Celidion]

"One blackhole screwing me, a Speedbow, is ridiculous!"

[Zeru]

"Thunderstorm is seriously crushing Rol/Hope decks for almost free. Get it removed from the game!"

Also, there are special forum sections designed for these topics. Next time, look there:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,206.0.html
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,208.0.html

[geekz_always_win]

"One blackhole screwing me, a Speedbow, is ridiculous!"

That's not the point. Straw-man arguments don't work.

Why is it an equal chance that one quanta of one element is just as equally likely to be drained if I have 11 in the other? That's not right. The card says it drains one random quanta. That means it should have an equal chance to draw each one of my 11 earth quanta and my one time versus a 1/2 chance to drain one earth and 1/2 chance to drain one time.

"Thunderstorm is seriously crushing Rol/Hope decks for almost free. Get it removed from the game!"

Also, there are special forum sections designed for these topics. Next time, look there:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,206.0.html
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,208.0.html

I'm not trying to nerf it, but I'm trying to change the way it drains quanta. It should not be by element, but by the numbers. That's not really a nerf or a buff, and so I thought it belonged in suggestions. If it's supposed to be by the element, then it should say on the card," Randomly chooses one element and drains one quantum from it."


Can you guys actually read my argument before you dismiss it as another person whining?

[teffy]

Somebody said that devourer always takes fire and not aeter (although a bug was found that devourer took aether away only with smaller probability):

This happens because devourers randomly pick an element - not a random quantum.

That means that if you have two types of quanta stored:
50 aether quanta
1 fire quantum

There is a 50% chance they will steal the fire quantum. Even if it is only 1 quantum.

If they steal aether quanta you are not even going to notice; that's why it feels like they are picking on your mark element: it is often used to "splash" quanta and devourers will often keep that quanta storage at zero.

Intended.

[geekz_always_win]

Somebody said that devourer always takes fire and not aeter (although a bug was found that devourer took aether away only with smaller probability):

This happens because devourers randomly pick an element - not a random quantum.

That means that if you have two types of quanta stored:
50 aether quanta
1 fire quantum

There is a 50% chance they will steal the fire quantum. Even if it is only 1 quantum.

If they steal aether quanta you are not even going to notice; that's why it feels like they are picking on your mark element: it is often used to "splash" quanta and devourers will often keep that quanta storage at zero.

Intended.

Well why is it intended? If it is intended, then they should change the wording on the card from "Absorb one quanta from your opponent and return a  to you" into "Picks an element and absorbs one quanta from it, then return  to you."

That makes more sense.

[Kuross]

I think zanz meant it to have the Devourer focus it's attention on the weaker quanta source as a way to limit secondary sources of quanta.

Also, does the way a shard, or any non-quanta card, takes it's quanta work the same way a devourer takes it?

[Ekki]

I think zanz meant it to have the Devourer focus it's attention on the weaker quanta source as a way to limit secondary sources of quanta.

Also, does the way a shard, or any non-quanta card, takes it's quanta work the same way a devourer takes it?

Yes, it's the same thing...
If you have 163 and 3 you have the same possibilities of losing 3 or 3

[Zeru]

[I'm not trying to nerf it, but I'm trying to change the way it drains quanta. It should not be by element, but by the numbers. That's not really a nerf or a buff, and so I thought it belonged in suggestions. If it's supposed to be by the element, then it should say on the card," Randomly chooses one element and drains one quantum from it."

Yes I can read. All I see is: "Please change the devourer into a useless card because I can't win using a mark splashed deck." That is the very point of this card and your suggestion is a huge nerf.

[QuantumT]

If it was changed to work the way you suggest, devourers would only work at all in total quanta denial decks. So, as Zeru stated, huge nerf.

[Malignant]

Use moar pendulums

[geekz_always_win]

[I'm not trying to nerf it, but I'm trying to change the way it drains quanta. It should not be by element, but by the numbers. That's not really a nerf or a buff, and so I thought it belonged in suggestions. If it's supposed to be by the element, then it should say on the card," Randomly chooses one element and drains one quantum from it."

Yes I can read. All I see is: "Please change the devourer into a useless card because I can't win using a mark splashed deck." That is the very point of this card and your suggestion is a huge nerf.

So basically, devourer (w/o fractal) that can only drain by numbers is useless? It still affects mono-decks just the same. It is not suddenly so much weaker by the numbers; no decks produce 50 of one element and at that point, devourers wouldn't make a difference anyways.